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@Hellzero I do apologise if my responses here have riled you. That certainly wasn’t my intention, and I’m not looking to cast doubt or shade on your knowledge and experience. I also wasn’t trying to suggest that Andy Baxter, The Gallery, etc., are the absolute, unrefutable authorities on vintage Fender, or to deny the possibility that they might sometimes (perhaps conveniently) fail to mention non-original or altered aspects of some instruments they sell. My interest and confusion is more around unusual examples, like the supposed ’61 VVT I linked, where the assertion is that the year can’t be correct based on the setup. Yet, from my perspective (which I feel is relatively experienced), there’s nothing that seems to suggest it’s incorrect. It’s also one of a handful of examples I’ve come across with the same setup. I’m also aware of the idea that certain features are said not to have appeared until ’62, but where is the definitive proof of this? For instance, is there a photo of the first invoice for decals with numbers and three-hole control plates dated 1st January 1962? As mentioned, I’d genuinely like to hear your thoughts on the example I linked (linked again below), and from your experience, understand what aspects you see as red flags. Respectfully, I’m not trying to refute your experience or act like an authority here, I’m honestly just trying to build on my own knowledge. https://www.andybaxterbass.com/collections/fender-jazz-bass/products/1961-fender-jazz-bass-see-thru-blonde
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I was somewhat trying to let sleeping dogs lie regarding my previous assertions, but I agree with many of your points, @GuyR. I feel that I've seen a few VVT Jazz Basses from late 1961 to 1962 where the parts appear to be mixed up. It's interesting that you mention Andy Baxter, as I'd be keen to hear people's thoughts on this example, which is probably one of the ones you've cited: https://www.andybaxterbass.com/collections/fender-jazz-bass/products/1961-fender-jazz-bass-see-thru-blonde. The decal position doesn’t seem too unusual to me. Having owned a couple of '65s, still owning one, and having seen quite a few more, the main part of the decal is generally much more centred on the headstock, with the "offset contour body" part always applied separately at the end. This guy's description of decal changes has always resonated with my own experience: https://www.talkbass.com/threads/vintage-fender-decals-who-really-knows-the-facts.902851/post-12962893. As you can see, he states that the three PAT and one DES number didn’t appear until 1962, but again, I don't think it's out of the question that Leo or his employees could have started applying these to basses before January 1962, while also using up a random selection of parts during the transition. I also don't think this portrays him as some form of "mad professor", but it's perfectly reasonable that they would use a selection of the available parts and that electronic and hardware consistency was not a primary concern for them at that time. On this basis, I don’t think it's unreasonable to suggest that they could have used a concentric pot on this plate — not for its original purpose, but simply because it worked for the intended function.
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With all due respect, I disagree on the timing here. I have it from a few reputable authorities that the concentric control configuration was officially changed in late 1961 and have seen some examples that concur with this idea. You do see Jazz basses with concentric configurations with 1962 dates but, as we know, Leo liked to avoid wasting money so he used up his stock of the stack knobs, although the actual updated design had changed.
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As has tended to be the case from Bass Gallery in recent years, there's VERY little detail provided about such an expensive instrument. This is also clearly a 1961 JB at the earliest so the three-knob would be valid having come in late 61. It always annoys me when people include multiple dates, unless it's a bitsa then the year of the bass is the date of the newest part on it.
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Dayum. Might have to pop over there this afternoon just to have a play on that!
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bakerster135 started following FENDER JAZZ BASS 65 - L - *SOLD* and 1966 Fender Jazz Bass Dots & Binding - £6850 -
Post your pedal board - Basschat style!!
bakerster135 replied to dudewheresmybass's topic in Effects
Lovely board! What's the meatball clone? -
Let's not go over that 7 again! 😆😉 P.s. this is the list of Fender model numbers from the 1960s, with their corresponding instruments: 4. Telecaster 5. Precision Bass 6. Stratocaster 7. Jazz Bass 8. Jazzmaster 9. Bass VI 10. Jaguar 11. Electric XII 1, 2 and 3 were the lap steels
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I completely agree with this. While the 1970s were famously a questionable period for Fender’s QC, I’ve also encountered several pre-CBS basses that were total dogs. I’ve also owned a number of pre-CBS Jazz Basses and 1960s American reissues over the years, but they’ve always been the first to go when compared to my two 1970s Jazz Basses. My favourite is my 1975 Jazz which, despite its insane weight, has the most incredible deep, gnarly tone and a neck that feels amazing. Every time I pick it up, I feel inspired, and it’s been my go-to for all the biggest gigs I’ve played. I do worry about whether I’ll still be able to stand with it when I’m older, but I know I’ll never part with it. It has everything a great Jazz Bass should have.
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1966 Fender Jazz Bass Dots & Binding - £6850
bakerster135 replied to bakerster135's topic in Basses For Sale
Yes, chrome covers are still with it and everything else! Mentioned in the ad but appreciate it's a bit wordy... Never really understood what Phil meant about the "whiff" of the case, I'm not getting anything and I'm a fragrance-obsessed person...Perhaps it's dissipated by now but you're welcome to come smell it for yourself 😆 -
I’ve been mulling over this for a long time as I absolutely LOVE this bass, but it’s time. We’re moving house and the proceeds of this sale will go towards the deposit… This is a fantastic example of a 1966 Jazz Bass, classic transition-era “target” sunburst with dots and binding. Bought from pmjos of this forum in 2018 (original ad here). It’s a dream bass. It’s had a refret with period-correct frets, performed amazingly by Martin Petersen of the Camden Bass Gallery, to ensure that the binding has remained intact and that there’s no damage, cracking, etc. I felt this was necessary as, when I got it I think there may have been a minor hump in the upper fretboard which caused some choking out in the upper frets, and it relieved that issue. The bass plays cleanly on every fret of the register, and I’m a pretty heavy-handed player…Otherwise, the bass is totally original in every other aspect. You can see the details in Phil’s ad, but this is a great-sounding bass and super clean. Since I got it, it’s been scrupulously cared for and has only been out of the house for recording and never gigged, so no additional dings or damage. The pickups sound fantastic, each with their own character when soloed (particularly fantastic classic burp on the bridge pickup!) but with that textbook lively mid/late 60s JB tone when combined. It comes with the original case, and also the original funny little leather strap and registration card. I’ve included some general pics below without taking the thing apart, which I’m always loathe to do, and also some shots of the neck so you can see the quality of the refret. I’m also a pretty lousy photographer, but you can view an excellent shot PowerPoint depicting the more detailed aspects of the bass here. Obviously, it also comes with the pickup and bridge covers/ashtrays, I just don’t have these installed currently as, as most probably know, it makes it a bit more difficult to play the bass. Weight confirmed at 3.977Kg I’m looking for £6850. Just to clarify I would strongly prefer collection and inspection from my home in London NW3. No international shipping! Sorry. I’ll consider UK postage, but only with discussion and careful consideration on courier method to ensure that there’s no possibility of damage during shipping, and this will definitely need to be arranged by the buyer with appropriate insurance. Absolutely no trades on this, unfortunately, as I need the cash. I hope everything’s clear, but happy to answer any and all questions. This is clearly a beautiful piece of bass and Fender history and I’m immensely saddened to have to make the decision to move it on.
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This is definitely a bit odd that your 66 Jazz stamp has a 5 at the start though, I also have a 66 dot bound lollipop jazz and this is mine. Does it still have an A at the end for an A neck? Regardless, possibly a factory error?
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Not sure if it's been clarified before, but the"7" doesn't refer to the date, but the fact it's a Jazz Bass profile neck. Precision was "5" I believe? It doesn't mean that all of the jazz basses produced in March 1965 were made on the 7th, to be clear 😆😬 -
Yes, I do. Thanks! 😆
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It's pretty random from my experience, as the weight of that northern ash that they used can vary dramatically. For example, my 74 Jazz weighs 9.1lbs and my 75 weighs 12.6lbs!...
