Marvin

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1341133997' post='1714043'] Check out my J12 build, link in sig. Resale value is irrelevant really, I'm never going to sell my J12 and I would never sell any other cab I made. Unless I got an offer I couldn't refuse, obviously... [/quote] £5 and a double CD and a pack of Wethers Originals

[quote name='seashell' timestamp='1341085511' post='1713775'] OK , I am really pissed and there are 2 threads :-) lol [/quote] I thought I was pissed, especially as I've been to the pub and didn't realise before I'd gone there were 2 threads

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1341071477' post='1713516'] As long as the stage isn't tiny, I don't [i][b]STAND[/b][/i] anywhere [/quote] The old pins aren't what they used to be? I tend to sit down these days as well

I always try and stand behind a pillar, PA speaker stack, curtain...basically anything that hides me from the angry crowd Mostly though snare drum side of the drummer. Just seems natural. Tried the other side and no, just no Confused the drummer as well tbh.

The comparisons with the J Bass really helpful, thanks.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1340647094' post='1707565'] No it isn't. [/quote] This isn't a bloody pantomime

Thank you Paul. Unfortunately I live in North Devon, otherwise I'd take you up on your offer. Your description is very good, and gives an better idea of what they're like. Thanks mate.

Unfortunately none of the music stores near me stock one so I can't try one out. The blurb on the Sterling website says they have a 38mm nut but I was wondering whether the neck profile, i.e depth or radius, was generally as a Jazz type bass. I don't expect it to be like my Ibanez SR, but I find my hand cramps a lot if the neck is 'clubby' like on the Rockbass Corvette I had until recently. And just out of idle curiosity what are the RAY34's like? Cheers [url="http://www.sterlingbymusicman.com/sb14"]http://www.sterlingbymusicman.com/sb14[/url]

No. That's a guess by the way.

I make heaps of mistakes, to the point I sometimes wonder how I maintain my place in a band. A gig I did last year the covers band I was in did Layla and I remember looking at the fretboard and forgetting how to play the verse, I knew the notes but not the order so sort of fudged it. There were other mistakes. At the end of the gig the bass player from our singer's other band, who's a very good player, came up and said I was awesome... Everybody makes mistakes, if they say they don't they're probably lying Great little clip from VW, I did like that. I must be odd though because I thought that 'wrong' note sounded interesting from the start Perhaps that says something about my own playing.

[quote name='ChristopherGilbert' timestamp='1340441306' post='1704409'] So here's my new Ibanez Prestige 4005E, courtesy of a very friendly Basschatter from further south! It was my birthday yesterday, and he generously agreed to meet up half-way at fairly short notice. I rushed home and opened it up and, wow, what a bass. I've been after a decent Ibanez for a long long while as I prefer the neck and string spacing on these. I didn't have to try it before I bought it to know how good it was and it is certainly the nicest bass i've played to date. It has a great range of sounds and feels really easy to play.[b]My only gripe with it is the knobs, they're a bit ugly! And finding replacement ones that aren't so unattractive is quite difficult, so if anyone 'knows a guy' lemme know! [/b] [/quote] That's a great looking bass. Very envious Sorry to hear about your unsightly knobs though

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1340391595' post='1704047'] Yes, I'll be watching -[b] got myself a feather cut, dyed my hair ginger and am dressed as a woman in readiness.[/b] I'll lick 'em by smiling! I'll leave 'em to hang! [/quote] Thought you did that every Friday night.

A hint of gear stalking there, you may need this... [quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1267118998' post='757331'] Here's How:[list=1] [*]Move along side wall of venue until level with the front of the stage. Turn through 90 degrees [*]Raise your hand and wave, as if to someone across the room [*]Proceed smartly across the front of the stage, continuing to wave. [*]Keep your head pointed forwards at all times while [i]swivelling your eyes [/i]to track the gear. Moving your head is the mark of the hobbyist. [*]If someone on stage notices you, ignore them. If challenged, produce a card bearing the following words: [/list] "I cannot speak. Barbary pirates cut out my tongue. Can I have a go on your bass, mate?" [/quote]

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1340326265' post='1702993'] The difference between software and tangibles is when you take a tangible, you've removed it from someone else, the 'intention to permanently deprive' that is part of the definition of Theft, whereas the electronic stuff you've made a copy of, leaving the originator with just as much as they had before. So that would be mixing up your own paint to use, or growing your own groceries in such a way they are the same as that on the lorry, without them ever having to fall of the lorry, which continues to its intended location, which you no longer have to go to, because you've already sorted yourself for that stuff. [/quote] Making a copy permanently deprives the person who wrote the software of payment for the work of they've created. 'Leaving the originator with just as much as they had before' is an irrelevant argument if the intention was to be paid for that output, all you're doing is indulging in semantics and your analogies are therefore irrelevant.

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1340220501' post='1701394'] Would've contributed much sooner to this thread if it were not for the fact that I've just spent 4 hours down t' local nick, trying to explain to plod that the Odeon management had no right to deny me free admission, on account that if I liked Men in Black 3, then, I might buy the box set...I mean, nobody's actually losing out, are they? What a depressing thread! [b]Thought this was a site for musicians.[/b]..jeez! [/quote] That's are rather large leap Steve. Most contributors play once every other month down the Cock in Hand, for which their only payment is a pint of various ales from out of the drip trays. Hence the resistance for paying for music. There are a few almost beens I'll concede.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1340145754' post='1700110'] Its a global recession and everyone is skint. The first things that go when you're skint are luxuries, like expensive festival tickets... As far as I can see, the biggest problem at the small scale of the market is massive oversaturation. Supply massively outweighs demand. There are a seemingly infinite number of bands out there. A bar manager is never going to pay a band a living wage when instead they can get four or five naive young bands to indulge in pay-to-play and take all the financial risk themselves. And then it becomes self-defeating. Venues put on sh*t bands because they're cheap. sh*t bands don't attract paying punters. Don't bring in paying punters and the venue won't pay a decent wage. Repeat. Venues aren't just shutting because no-one wants to pay for gigs. They're shutting for loads of reasons---the pub industry is struggling, promoters have got lazy and put on any old sh*t so don't attract any regular punters, etc etc. [/quote] You've just validated the point then that people will not pay for music anymore, whether it be recorded or live. [quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1340145896' post='1700113'] If you're going to play the capitalist card then its even more obvious that the music industry has to change. When customers won't buy your product anymore you need to find a new business model or die. [/quote] I'm not playing any card, simply pointing out a fact. Music is commodified and as such the people who make it have been able to earn an income from it. Now that looks like it won't be possible anymore because an ever increasing number of individuals believe they shouldn't have to pay for music in any format. The response of people who defend this 'non payment' stance is to glibly reply that the music industry has to change. Change to what? There's never an answer or solution given, just 'you must change'. Recording, live, streaming none of them work. So the industry will die because there is no other business model, something the people who won't pay won't face up to. So kiss goodbye to music. [quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1340146616' post='1700126'] Happens all the time doesn't it? And when it does, people find another way of earning money, like get another job. But the music industry seems to be in denial about things changing so they're not even looking around for another 'job' - just trying to prolong the old one. [/quote] Change to what? As above, just saying change isn't an answer is it.

[quote name='phil.i.stein' timestamp='1340145492' post='1700106'] sorry mate. if music is about making money .... eeeuuuggh . [/quote] Really? It's always been about money. Everything's about money, that's the world we live in.

[quote name='phil.i.stein' timestamp='1340145177' post='1700102'] Marvin, re-quoting myself, not being vain or 'owt : "that's nothing to do with just music. check out how many local pubs disappear every day. 'super' - market forces 'ennit" i guess, as a capatilist, you'll just have to accept market forces... [/quote] I'm not a capitalist. SImply pointing out the sheer bloody hypocrisy of people who moan about the music industry being about just making money. Of course it's about making money. Record labels aren't charities, social enterprises and set up just to piss about. They're there to make money, that's what they do, wtf else did people think they were?

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1340144488' post='1700086'] And of course no musicians hold any responsibility for that. There are no bands out there who'll willingly sign up for pay-to-play, or play for free week after week after week and devalue their own product as a result. Its all the fault of those nasty downloaders that nobody gets paid for gigs, right? [/quote] You missed the point entirely. The argument is made that musicians rather than making music from recordings make an income from live performance. This is not possible if venues are shutting down or people aren't getting paid. Although perhaps it being the same ethos of not wanting to pay for anything is running through both. Even the notion that festivals would generate incomes is a non-starter, with several big festivals not going ahead last year due to poor ticket sales.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1340144338' post='1700079'] To be blunt, I don't believe that. For instance I've seen reports that suggest the same people who download the most films are also the same people who buy the most DVDs. Businesses need to change and evolve, or they die. The music business is no different. I'm not saying that illegal downloading is 100% a good thing. In many, many ways its a bad thing. I don't do it myself. But---and its a big, fat, Jennifer Lopez sized but---neither is it 100% a bad thing. Its a grey area filled with strong opinions and very reasonable points on both sides and all I'm really trying to say is that people who try and paint everything as either black or white are just muppets who do nothing to help their argument. In my opinion the industry needs to forget about the saddoes who have 11,000 illegal mp3s on their hard drive. Those people aren't your customers. They're never going to pay for your product. Trying to stop them is just a waste of time, effort, and money. The industry should instead concentrate on people who [i]are[/i] prepared to support your artists financially, and find the best way to provide them with a product and a business model that works for everybody. There are plenty people out there---I'm one of them---who are prepared to pay for music and gigs. [b]You just need to find the right way to sell to them.[/b] [/quote] And there's your fundamental problem of your argument. No one has ever got the answer to what the music industry should change to. For the people who are going to buy music they'll buy a download, buy a physical CD. For artists and the music industry there's no need to change for the people who are prepared to pay for music. The problem comes in that that group of people is getting smaller. Many people have stopped buying music and only download and don't pay. That's the crux of the problem, the increasing number of people who will not and do not pay for music, to which no one seems to have an answer to.

[quote name='phil.i.stein' timestamp='1340142494' post='1700018'] exactly ! downloading is the way to 'free advertising', rather than 'stealing'. networks, be it radio, or tv have found it too easy to join hands with major labels to sell multiple units, rather than multiple choices. long live free choice. [/quote] I was being sarcastic. If no one's getting paid it won't happen. Then all we'll have is a vast array of back catalogues to trawl through, yawn. As for this 'getting back to the values of the live performance day', what drivel. The only artists making money out of live music are the ones who managed to make money out of recorded music. Add into that the fact that not a month, neigh week, goes past on here without someone highlighting venues shutting down and struggling to get paid for gigs, where does that leave making money from performances?

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1340140014' post='1699934'] Its nothing to do with not seeing the value of music. I love music. I spend a small fortune on music, and gigs, and music merchandise. I will always continue to support musicians I love and music I love. I haven't downloaded anything illegally in years. But that doesn't mean that I'm just going to swallow the lie that illegal downloading is evil and wrong in every single way. The music "industry" has to face up to the reality that their "traditional" (I use the inverted commas because recorded music is still a relatively new invention) business model doesn't work in an internet world. You can either embrace new technology and new ways of doing things or you can stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la la la la thieves thieves thieves la la la la la la la" and wonder where all your money went. If anything, the internet is forcing a return to the pre-recording days when the "value" in music was in live performance. A concert is something that can't be duplicated or downloaded. The live experience cannot be replicated. We should all embrace that and do as much as possible to ensure that everytime we do a gig we make it as good as possible so that people see the "value" in what we do and make them want to come back again and again. [/quote] We live in a capitalist world system, hence music is a product, regardless of how it is presented whether that be recorded or live. Copyright was developed as an extension of property rights, without which they cannot be traded and ergo you wouldn't have capitalism. I am then, as an old unreconstructed leftie truly overjoyed to see so many on Basschat wanting to bring down the capitalist world order. I sincerely hope that none of you start grumbling if say someone starts 'not paying' for the goods or service that generates your income. After all if lots of people started following suite what could be done about it?

I've no idea about pick ups tbh, but congratulations on getting a job

I gave it a fair bit of thought over the last 2 days and the result is I've quit that project. I've seen this escalate before causing a lot of friction in my last band and I personally haven't got time for it. I was upfront, stated I was in another band and that the Thursday was probably a no go for me to do an open mic.

[url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/172333-ibanez-sr300-a-budget-bass-fooled-me/page__fromsearch__1"]http://basschat.co.uk/topic/172333-ibanez-sr300-a-budget-bass-fooled-me/page__fromsearch__1[/url] This might help. There are quite a few on here that have got a 300 and they've got a good rep. Neck is stupidly skinny. Some don't like the Ibanez pups, but tbh they sound good to me. Did I mention I've got one