Marvin

Very few watts. USB interface, a laptop and some headphones at home. In a rehearsal room i use what I'd gig.

[quote name='machinehead' timestamp='1437860086' post='2829651'] Good call. The new Fender Rumbles sound very sweet. The 500W version was under £400 recently from Thomann. Frank. [/quote] Mine was a shade under £400 from Thomann.

We don't have any dives in this neck of the woods, it's the sticks don't you know 15-20 years ago there used to be about 2 or 3 thriving music venues around my way, I suppose they might be what some would call dives. Great bands, great nights out. If they were still up and running every band in the area would still play there. Unfortunately despite their popularity they lost shed loads of money. If it's grotty I'd still play there. However, if it's a place known for violence, constant bust ups and fights I'd not be keen

[quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1437820592' post='2829273'] She HATES Jazz and thinks it's all pretentious b*ll*cks. [/quote] That must be awful...living with someone who's right all the time

Simply...no.

Technically speaking basses not sent in a hardcase are sent at the shop/sender's risk, as it is them and not the purchaser who have the contract with the courier. The seller is responsible for the goods right up until the point the purchaser takes delivery of them, it or whatever. I'm not sure whether the T&C statement would stand up if challenged.

I'm too busy

Great colour, black and tort...yum yum.

Great stuff. I'm struggling to find a band up t'north Devon.

The biggest error in Dad189470578450871's new 'model' is he's assuming that all products and all markets are the same. It's just like neo-liberal economists who regard buying healthcare as the same as buying baked beans from a supermarket. The logic is fundamentally flawed because the two entities are in no way like each other...it smacks of economic illiteracy. Royalties actually work for the purchaser as well as the provider. Services like Spotify would be totally unworkable if they had to shell out an up front fee for work. That work might be a commercial disaster and hence huge risks come into play. Under royalties it only pays small incremental fees based on usage.

[quote name='pjb13.bass' timestamp='1437493610' post='2826519'] So we can all stop playing Mustang Sally, Brown Eyed Girl, [/quote] Please do stop playing them....

A former band mate asked me if I'd be interested in joining his current covers band and sent me their set list. Apologies for those using mobiles but it is a bit long. [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Alright Now[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]After Midnight[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Bad Case of loving you[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Bad Moon arising[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Blue Suede Shoes[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Born to be Wild[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Brown Sugar[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Black Magic Woman[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Brown Eyed Girl[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Boys are back in town[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Crossroads[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Can’t get enough[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Cigarettes & Alcohol[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Cocaine[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Don’t Stop[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Do you wanna dance[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Freebird[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Free fallin[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Gimme some lovin[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Hard days night[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Hotel California[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Highway to Hell[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I shot the Sheriff[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Land down Under[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Long train running[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Lay down Sally[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Mustang Sally[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Moondance[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Nutbush[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]One way or another[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Passenger[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Pride[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Place your hands[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Rocking all over the world[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Should I stay or should I go[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Sultans of Swing[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Sweet home Alabama[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]She sells Sanctuary[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Sex on Fire[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Smells like teen spirit[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Stuck in the middle[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Town called malice[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Whats up[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Whole lotta love[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]White wedding[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]You shook me all night long[/font][/color] I instantly turned down the opportunity. My area is full of bands that do exactly the same songs...I saw one only a few days before he sent me this list. To me it's far too predictable. The same goes for bands who cover other genres, they tend to pick predictable material, it's just that there are fewer bands doing that genre. This weekend gone i went to a local festival and it was sadly noticeable that the main stage's audience was thinner than usual. The reason was that rather than put on a very well known covers band doing all the predictable covers the organisers put on more local original bands. The main band were great, sadly the 'locals' didn't give them a chance.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1437407561' post='2825732'] You mean I can't have both..? Let's take the case of a sculptor, who spends a certain amount of time, firstly learning his (implied: 'or her'...) craft, then in producing sculptures. If they're for sale, he'll have to fix a price; I'd suggest costing up the time spent and dividing that up amongst the pieces created. If someone buys his work, that's fine. If his client is an interior designer, the pieces may be sold on to individuals, or offices; even museums. It matters little; as long as the artist has had his work recompensed, all is well. If asked (commissioned...) to create a piece, he'll estimate the cost on a similar basis. Once delivered, he's paid; again, all is well. Can this not hold true of a composer..? He'll sell the piece to someone wanting his work, for the cost of having produced it. If it's then sold on to others, that doesn't prevent the songster from creating further works, or accepting commissions, which should equally generate payment. A long work would by its very nature, cost more than a short one. How the commissioner recovers his 'investment' (assuming that he wants to...) is not really the concern of the creator. A statue bought for one's home, or for display in a public park, or sold on again; none of this affects the payment the creator has received. With music, then, thusly... Once acquirer has been found, and the piece paid for, the matter ends for the creator. Is that so wicked..? One pays a taxi driver for his time, including his costs. So with a musician, paid for playing, or a composer, paid for composing. The rate could be variable, but should, imo, be commensurate with the time invested. A small statue would likely cost less than a monster one; a short taxi ride costs less than a long one. Time is time. [/quote] What you've described is royalties. I'm Spotify and I want to use a band's music. Rather than pay them, and negotiate on a band by band basis, an up front fee, instead I pay them a much smaller fee, for their time, every time I actually 'use' their track, tune, song or whatever.

So, I'm a musician (we can all suspend our disbelief a little further), who is going to pay me, and possibly the members of my band, whilst I am writing, practising, recording, producing, mastering, marketing etc etc...the music I/we're recording? And, assuming we can work out who is going to pay me and my band, what hourly rate are we to receive? Are all musicians to receive the same hourly rate? Intellectual property rights, copyright, whatever one wishes to call it, commodifies creative works, whether that be an invention, a piece of music, a book...whatever. It provides the 'creator' with a future income for the time they are not getting any income from the creative process (writing, inventing, recording, prototypes etc etc). That's how it works, that's the world we live in. There are many instances of people receiving or earning money when no work is being done. Pensions are a proportion of wages forgone for future income, copyright is wages for having no wage when you're actually working.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1437402841' post='2825675'] It's not work though is it ? A piece of music that you've composed, arranged, recorded and produced, possibly over many, many hours and days, or even weeks or months, is a product. I hate to use that term, but once it's finished, that's what it becomes. It's like if you design something and build it, then someone else comes along and copies your design, and sells the same thing under their own name, and makes loads of money. [/quote] Exactly

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1437403091' post='2825680'] That wouldn't trouble me at all, in the same way as supermarkets charge customers for the goods they've bought in plus their costs and profit margin. Why music should be any different in principle escapes me. The mechanism has to differ, as the product is intangible, but the principle of Spotify (or any other commerce...) earning their living is fine by me. [/quote] How are you going to pay the musician they're making money from?

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1437392001' post='2825519'] OK then, carry on with the present system. If all is well, there's no requirement for change, everyone is 'hunky dory'. I'm just an old buffer with strange ideas on several subjects, many of which are not popular today, or which imply a change in the [i]status quo[/i]. No matter; let the music play and ignore me. If there's no problem, there's no need for any solution. As you were. [/quote] People making money isn't the issue for most, as it seems to be for yourself. The issue with regards musicians is that a third party is making a lot of money out of their efforts. Many on here, it seems, feel that if money is being made then the split should be swing more to the person or persons whose music it is.

I listened to the Radio4 programme, I decided it was good. Noel, he seems a decent sort really. From what he's said in interviews he seems very grateful to the people who've bought and liked his songwriting. Liam I can tolerate when noise, of any sort, isn't emanating from his oral cavity.

You missed a bit

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1437386420' post='2825430'] Ah..! Progress, maybe. These are better questions and merit reflection and ideas. Once the principle is established, one can go through a whole host of possibilities and options. This could entail further mind-set changes, as it's not so simple to just reply glibly; that's too easy. Nevertheless, are we agreed that, as long as the work is paid for, that, in itself, is then sufficient..? I'm all for someone paying, each and every time that work is done, but my thinking would put an end to the notion of becoming rich by penning a 'hit' song. If one spends a day composing, one gets paid for that day (how..? We'll have to see...). If one take a year to compose, one should be paid for that year. The simplest manner would be to have an employer (an organisation, such as the MU, or the Arts Council, or a private mecene..? Who paid Mozart..?). That debate is, to me, more interesting than squabbling over the royalties of a dead relative. Why should musicians [i]not [/i]be paid a decent hourly rate, like fitting a kitchen..? [/quote] So musicians become the employees of wealthy benefactors...and churn out elitist nonsense for the musical equivalents of Charles Saatchi. OR, they have to work for a closed shop run by the taste police. How would a body like the MU or Arts Council decided whether they should 'employ' a musician or no? Would it be if a board of knowledgable muso journalists like their music? Or would they just employ everyone who decided they wanted to be a musician? How many people have become 'rich' by penning a hit song? Really, how many? And in what way is that much different than someone coming up with a business idea, say like an internet 'business', and cashing out as soon as it became popular? [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1437386527' post='2825432'] I would consider that, too, to be progress. I see nothing sacrosanct in this 'supply and demand' link. Wordsworth did not write poems with that as a 'driver'. Other examples are available. There are other 'models', once one chooses to look for them. [/quote] Other models have all failed.

Yep, good to hear. It's a shame that the bass section of the actual shop is quite frankly pitiful.

I've taught myself all the diabolical habits, poor techniques and total lack of theory knowledge I could. It's no surprise I'm no longer in a band really.

[quote name='Weststarx' timestamp='1436862352' post='2821392'] Playing guitar is 10x cooler anyway... (Starts running) [/quote] BURN THE HERETIC

I'm liking it too. I've been listening to his solo material lately and have got into it. Odd, as I never really got into Oasis.