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[quote name='Kirky' post='375750' date='Jan 9 2009, 11:02 PM']Steve Hanley.[/quote] Behind The Counter! Lie dream of a casino soul! Bombast!

[quote name='misrule' post='375989' date='Jan 10 2009, 10:57 AM']In fairness to the Mail on Sunday (not that they deserve it), their piece is straightforward and balanced. It's sprinkled with 'could' and 'may', indicating that it's all speculation... ...We would probably have more success tackling our MPs about the issue personally than signing a petition which politicians can cheerfully ignore.[/quote] people are still signing it, asking the govt not to do something that they already did many months ago, clearly having read only the OP and none of the subsequent debate. Not that it matters. No-one's going to give a f*** about a few hundred musos anyway. Do half-arsed, misguided petitions like this devalue the important ones like 'we demand the govt puts its weight behind UN calls for a middle-east ceasefire'? Probably not.

[quote name='bumfrog' post='375379' date='Jan 9 2009, 04:46 PM']I thought the whole thing was just to do with protection of staff, just like the whole no smoking thing. The way most places got around this was just to supply ear plugs free of charge. The only places I've ever played with a limiter are older and more respectable buildings.[/quote] That's how I read it too (as did many Basschatters when it was discussed last year). [quote]If it was brought in as law then surely all gigs would become a thing of the past???[/quote] If it was brought in as law as described in the OP (70dB limit), talking loudly in pubs would become a thing of the past. Sign it anyway; it's misleading, too late, no-one will read it and it won't have any effect but at least you can hold your head high and say 'I said "Down With This Sort Of Thing!"' [gets coat]

[quote name='waynepunkdude' post='375280' date='Jan 9 2009, 03:29 PM']There are other brands ? [/quote] Yup: Warwick, Hartke and Line 6!

[quote name='Thunderthumbs' post='375312' date='Jan 9 2009, 04:06 PM']For the good of us all, I wholeheartedly agree with bassbunny's original post an urge you to sign it. Cheers, Pete.[/quote] But Pete, it's already law! Has been since April! And contrary to the wording in the OP it *doesn't* call for mandatory spl meters. Read The Control of Noise at Work Regulations 2005 or [url="http://www.soundadvice.info/"]http://www.soundadvice.info/[/url] We all prefer to be governed by common sense not bloody automatons, but surely we should check our facts before signing? If you object to the law as it really is, as opposed to how a Sunday paper spins it, then create a new petition based on the facts and I'll happily sign it. (edited for typo)

[quote name='bumnote' post='375294' date='Jan 9 2009, 03:41 PM']While I appreciate the internet is often used for scare stories, this isnt. My singer runs a pub, and has experienced difficulties with noise levels from the local council 4 of our regular venues [which are generally WMC have fitted these as required by the local council, and in relation to a risk assesment carried out by a competent person. The drummers bought a flat kit specially, Is it 70 db, dont think so, but it depends where the measurement is taken, in front of the stage, by the bar, or by the nearest house. Has anyone been prosecuted, dunno Choose not to beleive if you like, Some people think the worlds flat Some people didnt think the titanic could sink Im waiting to see all the ads soon, 500watt amp for sale, or swap for 10watt combo[/quote] Nobody here has been suggesting that these devices are welcome. Some of us have been suggesting that the petition is if not an actual hoax then a scare-story. As we've seen, the petition is pointless as whatever it is (certainly not the 70dB cutoff as described) has been in effect for months now. It's a bit rude to accuse those of us who wanted a few facts before we signed anything of being flat-earthers. Surely those who signed without question are the ones more likely to believe the earth is flat and the Titanic can't sink just because some (un-named) Sunday paper told them so?

[quote name='bumnote' post='375276' date='Jan 9 2009, 03:28 PM']As from April 2008 entertainment venues have to comply with The Control of Noise at Work Regulations to ensure that workers hearing is protected. Legislation provides that as from 1 October 2006, local authorities are able to issue fixed penalty notices in the region of £500 to the person in charge of the premises at the time of any noise complaint. This could be the license holder, manager or any other employee. This is in addition to their existing powers to serve noise abatement notices and review premises licenses.[/quote] Not quite the same as enforcing a 70dB limit, as the petition claims. Via the MU site: [url="http://www.soundadvice.info/"]http://www.soundadvice.info/[/url] Has anyone been prosecuted since April?

[quote name='ezbass' post='375270' date='Jan 9 2009, 03:23 PM']I'm going to go with the smoke and fire analogy.[/quote] It's dry ice

[quote name='Musky' post='375269' date='Jan 9 2009, 03:22 PM']Oh it's real alright. In case any missed the point of my previous post I'll make it simple - This petition was submitted in January 2008. It refers to the Noise Control legislation that was enacted in 2005, and came into force for music venues in April 2008. We've been living with this evil, pernicious legislation for the last 9 months.[/quote] There was a thread on this legislation at the time; someone panicked and said 'we're all going to be forced to play panpipes'. There was a bit of debate and the consensus was that the only effect it would have would be to encourage management to assess risks. So where does 70dB come in, apart from being the starting point of an obscure academic study?

[quote name='BTGAndy' post='375243' date='Jan 9 2009, 03:08 PM']If this we're really happening do you not think that the MU would be going spare?[/quote] Nothing on their website (search terms 'sound level', 'limiter' and '70dB') It's a tabloid story, isn't it. Next thing we know, scientists will have discovered that looking at silicone tits for 10 minutes is the equivalent of an hour in the gym.

[quote name='BassBunny' post='375241' date='Jan 9 2009, 03:04 PM']The 70DB figure came from the original study conducted in France. The details of this were published in one of the Sunday Papers last November.[/quote] The Sunday Post? The Sunday Express? The Mail on Sunday? I'd be more inclined to believe Viz than most Sunday papers.

[quote name='Stylon Pilson' post='375235' date='Jan 9 2009, 03:00 PM']I don't disagree with you. But for me, it's an idealogical thing. 474 signatures as a result of misinformation and a persuasive argument = bad. People trying to gather a few facts before they form their own opinion = good. S.P.[/quote] my motivation also. And the more I think about it, 70dB is so low that it'd be constantly tripping out in a busy pub even if there was no music being played. Even in the workplace 'the level at which employers must assess the risk to workers' health and provide them with information and training is now 80 decibels' and that's a long-term average, not the peaks that pub sound limiters measure.

[quote name='budget bassist' post='375189' date='Jan 9 2009, 02:36 PM']Try BBC news[/quote] The nearest I could find is this: [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6252634.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6252634.stm[/url] which is old news and along the lines of what Stylon found.

[quote name='yorks5stringer' post='375212' date='Jan 9 2009, 02:48 PM']"I think we should just blow up parliament" ............but would'nt that be too noisy?[/quote] We could assassinate the Cabinet with guns that pop out a flag labelled 'BANG!' Or use custard pies.

[quote name='budget bassist' post='375127' date='Jan 9 2009, 02:00 PM']That's the official 10 downing street website, that IS the source[/quote] I just jumped through most of the hoops to create a petition there to protest the banning of chocolate. I didn't complete the process because I didn't want to distract from genuine issues, but it's easy to do. Seriously, show me the source and I will sign!

[quote name='Merton' post='375088' date='Jan 9 2009, 01:43 PM']Why would No10's petitions website have a hoax petition on it? Signed [/quote] What's to stop me starting a rumour that chocolate is going to be banned and putting up a petition? Soon as I hear it from a reliable source I'll sign. 70dB is hardly louder than a telly, spl meters read instantaneous peak rather than average over a relevant period and if it's true it's bad science as much as it is bad lawmaking. [quote][quote]Agreed. I'd like to see the actual law before I sign a petition stating that I disagree with it. S.P.[/quote] At which point it will be too late. [/quote] Down With This Sort Of Thing!

[quote name='crez5150' post='375076' date='Jan 9 2009, 01:34 PM']No this is completely true..... I'm getting a blog done about it for my bands website and the fact that we will not be held responsible for gigs where these things are fitted.[/quote] Where did you hear it? I'd like to read some more from the horse's mouth

[quote name='BassBunny' post='375056' date='Jan 9 2009, 01:19 PM']Another piece of proposed legislation that will adversely affect live music in the UK:[/quote] I'd sign this but can you say where you heard it? Are you sure it's not a hoax? I haven't been able to find anything online and wouldn't want to sign a petition against a non-existent issue.

[quote name='HeavyJay' post='374970' date='Jan 9 2009, 12:07 PM']One that I haven't seen elsewhere other than here is GAS. Anyone able to offer a translation?[/quote] gear acquisition syndrome also: rtfm = read the forking manual c*** = see you next tuesday h2g2 = hitchhikers' guide to the galaxy

[quote name='redzombie' post='374936' date='Jan 9 2009, 11:42 AM']I'm bloody hopeless, god only knows how I managed to complete my BYOC clone (after much strife). I've just tried to repair the crushed LED on my DD-3, but instead ended up detaching the orange and green wires from the small LED PCB and burning my finger. Rather than screw things up anymore, can anyone recommend any good pedal repairers?[/quote] I'll do it for the cost of shipping if it's just a matter of replacing and reconnecting a LED and board. PM me.

[quote name='rjb' post='298338' date='Oct 3 2008, 08:44 AM']Obviously Holger Czukay from Can deserves a mention. Indeed, it was Can that provided much of the initial influence to Punk/Post Punk.[/quote] He was one of my inspirations, and must have influenced me but I'm not sure how. No-one else sounds like him. [url="http://www.furious.com/perfect/holger.html"]http://www.furious.com/perfect/holger.html[/url] : WHERE [sic] YOU SURPRISED WHEN THE PUNK MOVEMENT CAME ALONG AND PEOPLE LIKE JOHNNY LYDON AND THE BUZZCOCKS SAID THEY WERE BIG FANS OF CAN? I was more than surprised actually. I remember that in England I met Jah Wobble, of Public Image at that time, who had a six pack of beer. I didn't know what to think of him at the time but he said 'come on, I've booked a studio in Soho somewhere.' We recorded our first piece 'How Much Are They.' It was in a cellar of a chinese restaurant. Someone came in, it was two American girls who thought that this was a part of the restaurant. The engineer had an intercom microphone on to record this conversation. They were asking us these questions like 'how much are they?' This is the kind of interaction I like. When it comes up to this point with these spontaneous things, I think you're lucky when this happens. I should kiss the feet of these two girls.

[quote name='joe_bass' post='373044' date='Jan 7 2009, 01:37 PM'] Never play with a pick, same reason as Ste, bad cramps after about 10 minutes or so.[/quote] I have the same problem. Could be we're gripping too tightly?

[quote name='SteveK' post='374813' date='Jan 9 2009, 09:42 AM']PS. Does Robbie [i]never[/i] play the orthodox two finger style? [/quote] He does, yes.