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Always fancied a go on one - the original version not the mini.

Maybe the pedal will have an information sheet/manual explaining the knobs/symbols and what they do so people have the option to not read it before coming online to whinge about it.

I’m sure he’d be responsive to a message via the social media channels. As a paying customer he might offer some ideas

I’d hazard that most pro bassists are using the same gear as the rest of us. There are few pro’s using F bass, Fodera, Ken Smiths et al. Firstly these luthiers have a relatively low out put and they’re very prohibitive cost wise to be playing in the sort of bars I’ve seen many ‘pro’ bands in. Yer man from Soundgarden uses Mexican made Fenders, I’ve seen touring bands with Squires, Fenders even some Ibanez but I honestly don’t think I’ve ever seen a band use the high end basses we often see come up on bc for 3k+. The exception is Pat from Extreme who used Mouradian basses but he did work for him way back in the day! I guess Spector and a few other brands such as Fender Custom Shop etc are pro gear... I’m sure pro guys own some of these furniture basses and enjoy them at home!

Yeah I might reinstall 2.92, try and update HX Edit then install 3.0. Seems like the logical solution.

Aye it’s not the most intuitive but glad you’ve got it sorted. Still can’t quite figure out what’s going on with the Mac version of HX Edit 3.0 download?!?!

Sorry didn’t mean to acknowledge you as part of that whole post I was just letting you know my usage before continuing on the discussion 🤙🏽 I've edited the earlier post to reflect this

Hi Stoo yeah the updating can be a tad unintuitive with the line 6 stuff as it would be better if every updated together but we struggle on. I have downloaded what L6 tells me is hx edit 3.0 but upon opening the file it’s 2.92. I have successfully updated the firmware and the hx edit is looking a tad lacking. None of the new features have appeared yet. I’m in no rush and can load my back up of 2.92 so no drama but still. As I mumble on guitar too it’s be nice to try the new Princeton as it is a fav amp (my old country band the guitarist used one- lovely amp)!

I’ve not been able to usage HX Edit from 2.92 -3.00.0 so can’t access the new stuff. Still working on it 🙄 each time I download the 3.00.0 version when I open the package it’s 2.92. I’ve raised it with Line 6. Im running Mac OS but haven’t updated to Big Sur as I have other stuff which won’t run until update patches are released. If anyone has HX Edit 3.0 for Mac and has successfully opened it feel Free to dm me and send me the package and I’ll try it!

@PatrickJ Hi I was using my Stomp at gigs both in conjunction with my amp and direct with IEM. I also use it at home for a lot of my playing. I’ll flip between the stomp and my plug ins depending on what I want to sound like but generally the stomp gets used the most even if some of my bass amp plug ins sound equally as satisfying! The oto biscuit and subharmonic synths win on the plug in side for those type of effects for my preference but you’d expect them to be good. I digress... Circling back to the earlier chat about elitism... This whole elitist stuff appears to stem from the absurd notion of folk, me included and maybe patient zero, encouraging folk in this instance the OP to use their gear out at gigs with their band. I feel implicated in this partly from my preference to use stuff with a band even though most of my playing is at home via my rig or headphones where I can really dive down into the nuance of things - I love running basses into my graphic eq and looking at the sonic thumbprint of basses/pick ups, I like to swap out pick ups and tinker with the core sound of my instrument and I’ve even got a full professional route in my go to p bass where I’ve experimented with TBird pick ups, reverse p position and maybe even a MMStyle with split coils and series parallel wiring next... For me that’s pretty bedroom/geeky/nuance but it’ll definitely make the gig and be heard in context rather than a simply bedroom experiment. Many posts and threads have been started and when asked how did those sounds work on the gig there appears to be this sense that somehow it was a personal attack to ask how the gear was sounding? There’s been page upon page upon page written about effects and parameters and what’s your favourite this preset or that preset ad infinitum and yes as ‘young’ players or folks new to a certain effect that’s all fair and ‘useful’ to a point - for getting a starting sound to build on etc. With most effects we all, over time, acknowledge that the context and the way in which we use gear is all different especially from bedroom to gig - be it our attack, our sonic preferences to the music and types of rooms or bedrooms we’re playing them in. It’s no more elitist to ask how something sounds on a gig as it is to own a ‘lawyer’ rig and I speak as someone who owned a Dingwall Super P and Monique amp. Oh and they both sounded great on the 5 years worth of gigs I used them on if anyone is interested. The idea that this is a form of elitism humours me (but I don’t think the OP genuinely means this) as I feel that elitism can take many forms and to isolate the notion that players who want to use gear on a gig is elitist is again a bit absurd. Excited to hear if a pedal hits the spot live? Yes sure but elitist? Elitist is maybe not the correct way to describe ones desire to gig their gear or to hear others experience of gigging gear. It is not out of a sense of superiority that I gig gear nor is it my belief that by doing so I’m a better class of bassist. I would associate elitism with other things. Maybe the idea of pride or privilege to be associated with a particular group: the gigging bassist->subcategory who uses their gear->subcategory with a band - not that special really but being in a particular club/subset with like minded individuals where the 'price of admission' creates a bit of a barrier to entry then maybe... Elitism of ideas or opinion - where someone feels their views or opinion have a certain significance to the point of creating multiple user names/accounts to comment on and reinforce their opinions and to diffuse or derail those with opposite views. I stated a thread a while back on multiple accounts being held by a single user and the usual banter of split personality etc cropped up but no one thought to discuss the ‘elitist’ angle and that the notion of ones own self importance, to indulge in conversation with themselves, to control the narrative on multiple fronts, actively backing up ideas and opinions while dismissing others. To be fair now it’s straying off more into narcissism or maybe it’s a ‘social experiment’, a deeper treatise into something far more cerebral? I’d be happy to look at the subject a little deeper but as with most of these things the motivation is usually pretty basic. I’m no expert but with 20+ years working in mental health/forensic psychiatry I definitely have some opinions on it. TL;DR version This debate of gigging gear versus bedroom use is one I care little for and I’ll still encourage folks to use their gear live if they ever get the chance to. If that’s not your preference then that’s grand but don’t inflate it into something it’s not. Written word on an Internet forum will never captured the nuance of a civilised conversation and more often than not lead to unnecessary bickering.

Let me think about it! I’m walking the dog and then gonna have my tea but I certainly have thoughts on the subject. I alluded to a similar thing many months back but I guess I could rewrite that thread to apply in this context, stick a poll in there and see where it goes!

Oh O.K. I’d be first to advocate the use of gear in a band context and if that makes me elitist or an M.P. so be it. I have other opinions on elitism and I’d be happy to share them on an alternative thread.

Careful you’ll be getting branded an elitist 😂

He has #bb734a in the text so it’s likely it’s simply a paint job

Name and shame!

I think there comes a point where we’ve all realised that what sounds good in the bedroom/headphones can be woefully lacking in a live context. Same goes for being happy with gear as it is but then enhancing it with a little ‘spice’! Then there’s trying to cop specific tones to nail a certain song or part. 7Nation Army always sounds better with a decent fuzz where as Dancing In The Moonlight doesn’t suffer if you don’t have a soft phaser washing over it IMO. Elitist is an interesting concept in relation to gear especially if it’s being used in the context of if you think it should be gigged or not rather than say the price/value of it...

Well no one can accuse you of saying one thing and doing another since you literally became a keys player! 😀

Neither wrath nor indignation just different SKU’s much like the Pod’s and M Series effects which came before them only they were more obviously different units marketed at the differing needs of players; the ‘all in one unit’ players and the ‘happy with their amp’ players who just wanted decent multi fx. There have been numerous threads where the virtues and flaws of both have been exhaustively discussed and we’ve both commented similarly on them. I don’t think the addition of extra blocks will be a deal breaker on the stomp for many folk considering the payoff of what one might realistically be able to use in those blocks due to the processing requirements but the HXFX could find itself struggling equally with potentially a perceived ‘loss of blocks’ if the amp/cab sims were available in future updates especially if being used along with poly pitch effects. Having 9 blocks drop to 5 or 6 might appear to be a backwards step! Again it’s a trade off and Line 6 made the call to divest some users of amp/cab modelling a long time ago with no obvious consequences and appear to have successfully appealed to both camps. Sure newer tech nips ahead but that’s just the nature of the game.

It’s also worth noting that selecting an amp/cab pairing rather than a separate amp and cab is a little less taxing on DSP so if that were a consideration for building sounds on the Stomp. *I was struggling to load 3.0 but realised that I was still using HX Edit. It turns out you have to close all applications which might be using the Stomp before being able to update the firmware.

Embargo 😀 I think it’s called a SKU

I’m sure this was said with a proud tear spilling down the cheek and the roar of Spirfire’s overhead 😀 Thing is though you’d think that our democratically elected leaders would have had a pandemic playbook of sorts. We have them for terror attacks and other ‘disasters’ except leaves on the tracks and a flurry of snow in mid January. Sure we can allow for the initial WTF moment as a national disaster hits but there should be a national strategy which considers what action should be taken and what resources are needed in this type of scenario. That’s what I expect as a voter. I think it’s great that there’s a been a shred of common sense employed here when looking at the practicalities involved in the deployment and administration of a nationwide vaccination programme. However I can’t help but think back to when the figures were confidently announced from lecturn’s suggesting 100,000 tests would be carried out daily and the ensuing shortfall in numbers and strain on testing facilities. A bit more realism and less politicking might have been a wiser choice with hindsight. Anyway training... It’s not that hard to ‘train’ someone to insert a swab into the nostril but we were left with a massive shortfall in testing based on the toll it took on a system which was unprepared with the sheer magnitude of the task at hand, no one appeared to ask the lab’s what their capacity was before confidently throwing out the big numbers, if the reagents needed were available in such quantities etc. There were some red faces and people were made to look foolish because they wanted to project numbers that they were always going to struggle to hit due to many factors...before then doubling those targets. Much in the same way as with a nasal swab it’s not terribly complicated to administer an intramuscular or sub cut injection but unlike the self administration (of insulin?) as pointed out earlier there are some other small things to consider when administering a mass vaccination programm to the public such as anaphylaxis management and the administration of emergency medication. It’s not an insurmountable task but there is some nuance to these things which add’s to the complexity in relation to training and supplies chains. It’s not just pinching the deltoid or the belly fat and sticking in a needle. If this has been a bit long winded TL:DR version We can bemoan the shortcomings because we’ve seen them first hand time and again. We can also be optimistic that they’ll get it right eventually but many of us remain cautious. Oh and don’t forget to vote!

Isn’t that what Led Zeppelin did as discussed earlier?

Ooh get you!

I prefer this cover to the Sinead O’Conner version but I prefer the original to both covers! I’m a difficult man!