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Yeah the cabs sims aren’t as extensive but you’ll find one the covers the basics and it’ll sound ‘better’ than a direct DI for your purposes. You may be able to get others from third party but I’m not aware of seeing many berg cab sims.

The noise floor will always be dictated by the drums -is the singer finding the bass too loud or is it the sound she's not liking? You mentoned before you like an aggressive growl, pushing mids type sound. Is that part of the issue and would a more 'supportive' bass sound be less apparent to her? I know I always had a battle with a former MD in a choir gig that she likes a more treble forward bass sound and I preferred a more classic bass sound. It was a balance/compromise on many gigs to get us both happy. Maybe some eq tweaking and volume matching could help with what she's hearing - those upper mids could be fighting with her perceived vocal space?

The cab choice/mic choice I found was a really good way to do a global 'eq' type thing too - some sounding quite deep and others more mid bumped. Often that was enough to define the sound with eq used to make small adjustments. Lot's of options to experiment with just takes patience and time!

Don't forget the post di out (and headphone out I believe) has cab sim too on the new DG heads so you can sound authentic going into the PA/IEM if that's a route you take - you will have to (gasp) do some pc editing to load/choose your preferred cab sim but it's pretty simple so long as you have the right cable. Also your Stomp will/would* (delete as appropriate) have been perfect in this setting too as you could run an amp/cab sim to the desk via one output and have no fx (amp/cab sim) going via another output to the actual bass amp and with the eq and mic options have got the perfect balance of lows and highs relatively quickly.

Don't get me started on the wealth of eq adjustments

Most tech 21 bass stuff is modelled/designed on Fender Bassman or Ampeg style amp circuits of which the stomp has many plus the BDDI, drives, etc.

That's a shame as you'd have so much more flexibility with a digital desk. We do a complete mix for the IEM then just push that FOH as the main venue we play has a sound system in house - it's always playing the 'jukebox' while we set up so no soundcheck for us. As for monitor mixes - you could maybe get an additional patch bay and use that to run other monitors (IEM) from there. It's not something I've had to look into - we just nabbed something that was 'futureproof' for out needs when discussing the new desk. You could contact A&H or local pro audio guys (Yamaha store maybe?) and ask them for advice. So the A&H zed60 is the upgraded desk right?

There is some risk that the cab wont fix the issue you're having with volume - of course it might and if you wanna take the risk we'll all be wishing you well. If the F112 worked then why... O.K. let's not go back down that route! The question is will the 310 fix anything or just create a different set of issues to deal with or is it simply to look good with a new matching Berg head penciled in for purchase in 2020 3 drivers v 1 driver will do different things to perceived volume, dispersion etc, if the cab is at the front of the stage will the output of the 210's be greater than the back firing 110? As another derail... Have you and the band discussed using IEM or do any of them use them in other projects/gig? You never know they might love the idea or is it something you're not really that interested in at this or any juncture? Both of the singers in the band were the biggest fans of going iem as they got what they wanted in their mix. We use a QSC TouchMix which our guy bought used and it is perfect for us.

My earlier suggestion of buy them a Christmas gift was more illustrative than anything. I wouldn't think you'd want to buy the band any more gear if you're already providing the back line, p.a. etc - A £30 belt pack is a pretty cheap outlay and could possibly be absorbed by each member - it's probably about the same as buying a round of drinks for the band. Anyhow enough of this derailment let's get back on topic ...should I take a punt and replace my current gigging cab with a £1000+ 3x10 cab to double as FOH bass amp/bass monitor for my band to better suit the singer/stage volume/venue sound.

Ha! One could buy the band iem rigs for Christmas and still have change from £200. Then buy the DB cabs which best suit the gig and boom! Sorted.

U.K. brand db bass are selling some interesting cabs for not much money via reverb if space is an issue. https://reverb.com/uk/shop/dbs-gear-garage

See my earlier comment: £30 berhinger iem amp, xlr cable and some KZ ear buds should set one back about £70

Ahh ok I just thought it was a viable gigging option which you were pretty happy with and now you’re seeking a replacement. Forgive my ignorance. Carry on!

@Al Krow I’m still none the wiser but sounds like DB5 got a good cab.

Not that first time I’ve been told that!

#knobhack

Yeah you’ll have to balance the 210 out front against the 110 pointing back and that could cause a volume discrepancy plus if you invert the cab you’ll lose the coupling effect too and lose bass/bottom. @dave_bass5 AK has abdicated his explanation for selling his very capable 112 cab to you - care to elucidate? Berhinger have some very affordable iem amps for about £30. A very handy option to have for the whole band if needed. We all use them and they work just fine.

I was gonna suggest the same - get the bass cab in beside the drums as much as possible and you might better be able to 'match' the volumes - it's what I do on my country gig.

I’m still not entirely sure why you shifted the F112 then if it was more portable, sounded good, put out enough volume and an all round awesome cab? An email to Mr. Bergantino should answer your question if the 310 can be both monitor and FOH or the guys at Barefaced or @Ashdown Engineering might be able to offer advice and why they haven’t yet or might do something similar. I can understand the ‘logic’ of thinking the rear facing driver will work but I’m not convinced yet.

What about the 112 cab you recently sold? - I thought that might have answered some of the size v's output concerns for gigging. I'm guessing it was pretty compact, lighter and easier to load in and out? What was the catalyst for shifting it - I know folk find these full frequency response cabs can be quite unforgiving - that's been my experience listening to them.

I'm kinda with @ped on this one. The bass/pick up combinations might be the core feature which is providing the sounds your after with any on board or pedal-based pre-amp simply accentuating that inherent voicing. I say this with recent experience with 'jazz growl'... I've just recently got a jazz bass - a not very expensive Squier but a decent enough version of the classic JJ configuration. It instantly sounded like a jazz bass (unsurprisingly) when using my existing settings on my amp, on my interface, and into a couple of pre-amps I have knocking about. I understand how the pick up placement, the classic mid scoop etc works and trying to 'eq a P bass' to sound like a jazz just doesn't sound like a jazz even with dual semi parametric mid controls - it can get to sound scooped but lacks the authenticity of a JJ. You may find that if you have some basses which have this combination you mention above already and are nailing the sound you like other basses just wont sound as authentic by virtue of their pick up placement etc. On my gig last night I was running the Jazz into a Tone Hammer and then into my amp. Tone hammer was boosting a bit of low mids and had the AGS engages to add a wee touch of drive - the TH was simply enhancing what was already there. A bit of amp drive now and again that added the 'grind' but it was only really making the JJ sound more pronounced in the same way it would make my P sound like the P bit with some dirt. I know it's hard to qualify these things in words and we all have different meanings of words such as grind grit etc. I was rethinking the Grizzy bass pedal actually as that can do a pretty good scoped sound as well as grit but I'm not sure that it's the sound in your head.

You nabbed yourself a new BBNE 😀

Gotta have a system!