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Indeed. That's my basic point. In many respects, the amateur musician can have a better time that the average jobbing musician.

I'd say part of the problem is the inconsistencies that are all around us, so we tend to pick and choose what elements of IP we support or don't support. For example, there are a number topics on here whereby books are being passed around for free, thus depriving the authors of income from sales. A tad hypocritical perhaps? Also, consider computer software. These are all protected works, yet it's not illegal to make copies for personal purposes unlike music recordings where it's actually illegal to rip a purchased CD onto a PC. In fact, CDs were a huge boom for the music industry as it enabled them to sell the same stuff twice as people replaced a lot of their vinyl recordings. They got fat and lazy on the back of that boom and now they are suffering . . . . possibly because people won't be fooled again. The fact is that music is more freely available these days than ever before and this has reduced its value and people are generally more careless and disregarding of cheap things. This is why people pinch pens and pencils from their employers but wouldn't dream of pinching a PC. Plus, the Internet has made amateur musicians able to spread their music far easier than ever before. And very good a lot of it is too, so, supply-and-demand starts to have its effect in driving down the price, and therefore perceived value, of music.

[quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1360972885' post='1979434'] Just watching the ARENA: Brian Epstein Story on BBC4 and had to chuckle at the Lennon quote when asked about what the Beatles thought about their music.....'we don't analyze it, its not worth it'. [/quote] Little did he know that, 50 years on, it would be everyone else still analysing their music.

Do pro musicians ever go through this sort of things and how do they deal with it if they can't afford to give it a rest for a few months?

Apart from physical damage (e.g. drinks spillage etc) what is the actual risk with sharing gear? Assuming you have cabs rated to take the full whack from your amp, what can someone actually do that will cause damage? Surely people don't use stuff that is so delicate?

[quote name='JellyKnees' timestamp='1361021854' post='1979888'] They have had undoubtedly had a huge influence, possibly more so in recent years than back then, but yeah totally agree, the whole musical nostalgia thing is hugely depressing. Move on now please. [/quote] Fair point about musical nostalgia hindering people moving on, but there has to be a good reason for it. Until something better comes along people will stick with what they like. The very fact that there's still all this fuss about The Beatles after 50 years is an indication that they got some things right. Perhaps there's a lot of resentment against them because others have tried and failed to duplicate their success?

Just bought a TC Electronic RS210 cab from Charic. No problems, no fuss, great communications, very flexible regarding meeting up halfway or collecting (I got my lad to collect it in the end as he was passing by). Couldn't really ask for more. Top man and a credit to BC. Many thanks Rik.

[quote name='rOB' timestamp='1360952842' post='1979003'] I'm guessing that a few of us here end as default band manager so how do you handle the tricky situation of asking about sharing drum shells? I always try to ask the band who are playing last if its ok before we turn up to the gig. Mostly people say that its fine as long as we bring drum breakables. Is this other people's experience? [/quote] In my limited experience the etiquette amongst drummers seems to be to share everything except cymbals and snare drum.

[quote name='icastle' timestamp='1360950145' post='1978932'] Blimey! Don't tell him that or he'll expect all of us to do it. [/quote] Please don't, because things will be far less interesting if we all start agreeing all the time.

Well, I hope it doesn't mean I've broken the habit of a lifetime and stopped talking bollocks.

Asking if musicians are a bit more discerning about such things is a very interesting question. I'd expect musicians, as a group, to be more generally interested in different types of music and, therefore, to listen to a wider variety of music than an average person (perhaps). Thus, by definition, musicians would be drawing their inspiration from a more diverse catalogue. But (and you knew there'd be a but ), does that extra diversity ultimately affect what we like and dislike?

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1360942381' post='1978777'] Again I'm just interested in peoples opinions... [/quote] The Beatles vs Motown? IMO both are great bodies of work but I'd choose The Beatles because of the sheer variety. Motown seems more like an entire genre to me and, like any genre (well, most of them) they include some truly wonderful songs, but The Beatles are the winners, for me, because of their breadth. [size=3]Damn. I wasn't going to be drawn into this topic again.[/size]

True, but I've never encountered a sharing situation where the people concerned didn't have their own gear - it's usually advocated to minimise changeover times I've lent and borrowed a few times and have never had any problems . . . although I've just bought some rather nice TC gear so I may be changing my views on this . . .

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1360934902' post='1978570'] So no one willing to jump in and claim that the Beatles output compositionally surpassed all the Motown output then? Interesting.... [/quote] Isn't that a bit of a daft comparison? The Beatles were a single band with two main songwriters and Motown was a whole factory of people producing a whole genre of music. It's like asking if The Morgan Car Company's output 'surpasses' that of Ford, or Toyota, or BMW etc. I think it's becoming quite clear that 26 pages is more than enough for a subject where there will never be agreement and we're starting to dredge the barrel for ever more bizarre ways of saying the same things. We will all have differing opinions about them, but The Beatles' body of work, sales records and place in popular musical history remains the same.

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1360939704' post='1978713'] So why, when there are millions of very tasteful recorded bassists, do we keep talking about and trying to emulate the same few? Is it because technicality is easily recognisable and easy to measure ones own, or another's, ability against? Are we unable to appreciate and learn from nuanced and expressive playing? [/quote] Human nature. There must be millions of excellent actors/musicians/artists/etc out there, but only a few are 'celebs'. Some people just get on with their craft in their own quiet and excellent way, shying away from the limelight and attracting little popular attention, wheareas others love to bask in the whole 'celeb' thing and actively enourage the attention - which is easier than ever in these days of the internet.

Well, not exactly millions, but certainly loads. Mostly PC and video related cables. VGA cables - various lengths BNC coaxial cables - various lengths (mostly 75 ohm) SCART cables PS/2 keyboard & mouse cables (miniDIN) All free to good homes. PM with requirements if interested.

Scamming is as old as time. The internet just makes it easier to take it to more people.

Ha! There you are then - proof of his being vastly over-rated. Surely a dozen Grammys is enough, not 17

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This topic is self-fulfilling. What other artists could command 22 pages 43 years after they disbanded after just a mere 7 year career? So, not influential at all then?

Some friends saw them last week, had a great time, had some photos taken with them afterwards, posted them on facebook etc etc, then a few days later . . . Very sad.

May I make a similar offer here, as it's the right topic title. I recently cleared out a whole load of old computing and general electronic stuff but I gave it to a hospice charity as they can apparently make money from it all - which is good. But they don't take CRT screens and I have quite a few of them to get rid of. They vary in size from but are mostly 17-inch high-res colour VGA displays from Dell, IBM and Digital (anyone remember them? top-notch stuff!). All were working when last used. Also free to anyone who can collect. PM for details.

I'm not. I reckon 20 pages is enough for any subject.

[quote name='Leonard Smalls' timestamp='1360743764' post='1975579'] Y'all should see the level of name-calling and associated butturt on one of the hifi forums I frequent! [/quote] I had a similar sounding experience on a photography forum once. The wars between the Leica/Canon/Nikon fanboys were something else, but that was nothing compared to the chemical vs digital wars. It was hopeless to try a sensible discussion so I gave it up. This place has some lively discussions but people generally manage to argue their respective corners without descending into nastiness. I hesitate to use the word 'mature' on a musicians forum ( ) but I can't really think of a better one. Lively and passionate, good. Nasty and personal, bad. Sense of humour, essential.

Could be the definitive statement regarding their influence and place in history.