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[quote name='mingsta' timestamp='1360590348' post='1972819'] Has anyone else on here been as stupid as me? Please share.... [/quote] Not yet, but I'm always mindful of such things whenever I use my chainsaw.

Not everything they did received a rapturous welcome of course. Tragical History Tour was panned by the critics . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1y9BIjTSVk

I blame it on the tea.

A legend in their own lunchtime. No doubt about it.

But it must be worth the money to them?

Yes, that's a fair point, in principle. If One Direction can come up with a huge catalogue of songs that can be hummed by a few billion people around the world in 50 years from now then I think it would be fair to accept their musical influence.

Er, can you sell something for more than twice what it's worth?

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1360498363' post='1971182'] However, I think it is valid to question whether ‘Yesterday’ is the greatest rock & roll ballad ever written (as I have heard people state in the past), or merely a run of the mill tin pan alley tune elevated to greatness by some people, merely because it was written by the Beatles! [/quote] Question away . . . but it won't change The Beatles' position in musical history. Some may think 'Hey Jude' is a cheesy song, but how many other songs could have been used in a global event such as the 2012 Olympics opening ceremony with with pretty much ALL of the nearly one billion viewers knowing the tune? A great song isn't just about musical composition and how many augmented 7th dimished chords you can fit in - it's about the emotional connection it makes with its audience and The Beatles' catalogue has clearly done that, certainly to a greater extent than anything before them and possibly since them. None of which will make a blind bit of difference to all those who thing The Beatles were sh*te, of course, because that's their privilege. It's a bit like not believing in God and trying to deny the impact that religion has had on the history - no one would sensibly argue against anyone's right to be an atheist, but they'd look pretty foolish trying to deny the influence of religion around the world. (Er, I'm trying to equate The Beatles to God of course - Lennon tried that once and got into all sorts of trouble )

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1360444244' post='1970668'] That’s complete nonsense! By your logic (i.e. anything that is popular cannot possibly be over-rated) means that any concept of ‘over-rated’ is by definition redundant! You cannot sensibly argue that the Beatles were not of huge global significance, but you can argue that their artistic merits were exaggerated to be much greater than they were popularly perceived! [/quote] Not really, because there's no actual scale against which to measure these qualitative statements.

How can anyone sensibly claim that anyone or anything as globally popular as The Beatles are over-rated? Over-rated against what? Their own personal dislike? To claim that something is over-rated because of a personal dislike is clearly nonsense. Dislike The Beatles, Microsoft, Tesco [enter own hobby-horse here] by all means, but don't make yourself look stupid by saying they are over rated.

[quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1360433589' post='1970425'] Beatles tunes and jazz musicians have resulted in some shockingly bad jazz A lot of Beatles tunes on jazz albums are commercial decisions made by misguided producers. I don't want to generalise but (will) most examples of jazz plus Beatles tunes are less than the sum of their parts. [/quote] That may well be the case, but it's still an indication of their influence and it's not their fault if jazzers played shockingly bad versions of their songs - perhaps they were too complex for them?

I wasn't worrying about them personally, just thinking out loud (possibly clumsily) that it doesn't seem right for you to carry all the risk - well, unless you're planning on charging £50 on the door, in which case you're on your own?

[quote name='bigd1' timestamp='1360428710' post='1970270'] I have not said I don't like the Beatles, nor have I said they weren't a big influence to a lot of modern day music. What I have said is I don't believe the Beatles changed all music and musicians as your original statement tried to say. I also never said that nothing was around before the Blues or Classical music, I do believe you said that. All I am saying is yes the Beatles were a good band but, come on, they didn't change everything that ever happened in music after 1963, as per your comments. [/quote] Are you confusing me with someone else? I've not suggested you did or did not say all those things and I don't recall saying The Beatles changed everything that ever happened after 1963. Can you show me where I said the things you ascribe to me?

[quote name='geoham' timestamp='1360412543' post='1969938'] I can't see me quitting me job to make a living from this any time soon - I've done the sums and would need to do 100+ gigs a year, making £200 a time to survive, never mind equal what I earn doing an office job. In the mean time, if I can supplement my income doing something I enjoy, then great. [/quote] Yep, therein lies the reality for the vast majority of us. A bit of extra pocket money is always welcome, of course, but it's hardly ever a decisive factor in our hobbies and interests is it? As for 'appreciating the industry' it's a fact of life that music IS less valued these days and it has all sorts of ramifications, from bands struggling to get £200 gigs at the weekend to HMV going bust. Even without illegal downloading, the days of buying a £15 CD every week are long gone (for me anyway) when people can use spotify and other similar and legal services for free. There was a bit on the news recently about HMV going bust and someone (can't remember who) was saying that the seeds of their demise were sown over a decade ago when they refused to acknowledge the widely predicted impact of the internet. Indeed, he mentioned the parliamentary committee set up to investigate 'profiteering' from CD music sales because of the excessively high margins at the time. But times change and the dinosaurs died out by not adapting . . .

[quote name='slobluesine' timestamp='1360427198' post='1970213'] ffs someone needs to get the floyd into therapy and help them all get over Syd Barrett hey, what a feckin yawn they all are with him. i'm not a floyd fan so dont get what all the fuss is with SB, what exactly was so great about him? [/quote] Well, and this is just a wild guess, but I'm thinking they actually knew him, worked with him and can acknowledge the influence he had on them all from first hand experience, whereas you know nothing about him so it's not entirely surprising you don't understand all the fuss.

[quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360427797' post='1970236'] You're entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. Sgt Pepper is considered the first psychedelic/prog album. It was released before the Moddy Blues ever had an album out. [/quote] Yep, that's the key point in these sorts of debates. Can't argue with anyone who dislikes The Beatles (or any other band) because it's all subjective, and that's fine, but trying to deny their place in music history is just plain stupidity akin to believing the world is flat or man never walked on the moon.

I wonder if there's a correlation between people who think The Beatles were rubbish and people who think Fenders are rubbish? Or anything else so obviously 'right' that it was/is a global success, nay phenomenon?

Just bought a TC RS 212 cab from Jim. Great communication, flexible about meeting up, everything exactly as described and a nice guy to boot. Couldn't really ask for more. Thanks Jim!

[quote name='geoham' timestamp='1360228970' post='1966921'] We quoted £700. We'll need to hire a PA - I've budgeted £200 for that. There are five of us, so that leaves £100 each - not taking petrol in to account (20 miles away). The guy nearly choked! Was expecting something significantly cheaper. My initial feeling is that £700 is a bargain, and we shouldn't budge, but I want to get feedback from you guys! [/quote] This is all symptomatic of the general devaluation of music these days - not in the sense that people don't enjoy it any more but more that we're all increasingly used to not having to pay much for it. Let's be honest, most people play music because they enjoy it but unless you make the break into 'stardom' it's a tough way to make a living. The plumber comparison is all very well but it's a flawed analogy because there is no inherent rate for either job, it's just what people have come to expect and what they're prepared to pay. I've played a wedding for free, because one of the band members was a friend of the bride. They were on a tight budget and couldn't afford to splash out on a band and if we hadn't played then they would have been quite happy not to have a band at all. It doesn't take much these days for someone on a tight budget to put together a playlist of favourite songs on their iPod and, bingo, that's the music sorted out. That's the sort of thing that bands are up against these days.

Agreed. If you really, really, really, insist on fitting a new jack socket then I'd suggest that Neutrik would be as good as any, but the speakon suggestion above is by far the best way to go.

It's in my diary and I'm looking forward to my first bass bash! What are the cost/ break even numbers looking like? I don't really like the idea of you having to underwrite event.

[quote name='BurritoBass' timestamp='1360238564' post='1967116'] I'm surprised anyone would want a major deal these days. Sure, I would have loved one 20yrs ago but the industry has changed a lot. I'd rather a decent Indie label with some muscle and a solid reputation. [/quote] Wouldn't a 'decent' label with 'muscle and a solid reputation' make them a major label? I'm with UncleP - the terms of the contract should be what counts, not the name of the company A friend's lad has signed with Columbia after his first year of a music and performance course at Bristol uni. Apparently, the labels treat the course (and no doubt others) as a shop window and those offered deals then leave uni to concentrate on their music career - which might suggest that all the graduates of such courses are the ones the record companies didn't want.

Why all the fuss over cases? Why not just carry your instrument around without a case on the back seat of the car and use a plastic carrier bag for your pedals, tuner and rats nest of assorted cables? Well it works for one of our guitarists.

[quote name='fumps' timestamp='1360160852' post='1965870'] Mr Moore was a true legend & should be remembered for his amazing talent. we lost a great ! [/quote] No disputing that . . . even if I can't remember when he died.

[quote name='Bassman Sam' timestamp='1360158496' post='1965777'] I think you have written Peter Green off a bit too early, he's still alive. [/quote] Bloody hell - what was I thinking? In my (paper thin) defence I tend to think of him as being part of the Fleetwood Mac that died soon after he took his chemically-induced sabbatical. But I've got a few of his Splinter Group albums so there's no excuse. Doh!