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[quote name='cameltoe' post='811781' date='Apr 19 2010, 08:10 PM']Well I'm in London next month, as it happens. That 50's P is just beautiful. Is it a Seymour Duncan in there? I need to do some thinking really. I bought the Fret King Perception that was advertised on here a while back and it's an absolutley stunning bass, plays beatifully, but it's a bit too heavy for me, and it sits awkwardly on me too. I'd love to trade it for one of those, second hand really, so as not to lose too much money. I noticed there's one in the For Sale section for £200. Problem is I'd love to try it first.[/quote] Well send me a pm when you are in London and if I am not at sea, we can meet up and you are more than welcome to come and try it. Yes it is a Seymour Duncan Quarter Pound, and it ouzes [size=3]BIG[/size] dollops of honey!

[quote name='Musicman20' post='811611' date='Apr 19 2010, 06:03 PM']Bloomin heck the whole set! Which is best....the Jazz or Red Precision? Both are very tempting...[/quote] The Jazz is the more resonant out of the 3, superb clear and loud, the 50's Precision is orgasmic to play, I am not kidding you, it reaches deep within you with warmth, the 60's Precision is perfectly period reminescent and with the new pickup it cuts through the muddiest of mixes, you can keep the volume down but you can't fail to recognise it thumping away with a distinctive tone and voice, I wouldn't give any of them up, I love all 3 of them in a different way. Oh and I've got quite a range of quality basses including a Stingray 5, a Bongo 5, and a Musicman Ernie Ball 25th Anniversary, but when it comes to the vintage vibe the 3 Squiers are the dog's danglies.

[quote name='Johnston' post='811595' date='Apr 19 2010, 05:44 PM']So are they discontinuing the 51 altogether or just the butterscotch??[/quote] Both the 51 Reissue Butterscotch and the Sunburst are discontinued. Guess which one they'll continue to do? Yep the Artist series one with the Sting Signature.

[quote name='cameltoe' post='811452' date='Apr 19 2010, 03:44 PM']Ahhh you've got a CV 50's Precision haven't you? I need this bass. What's it like when stood up with a strap? Does it balance well? No dreaded neck dive? From my last two basses (not precisions) I've had real comfort issues due to poor balance, neck dive, weight etc. A regular precision fits me like a glove, I could go round wearing one all day. I'm hoping it'll be the case with these.[/quote] Yeah mate and they are lovely too, a breeze to p,lay, and as for your question, It hangs perfectly, does not neck dive not even when playing sitting down, it balances well on your leg. Try one mate or if you are ever in London, get in touch. here are my Squier beauties in all their splendor: [size=4][b]50's Precision[/b][/size] [size=4][b]60's Precision[/b][/size] [size=4][b]60's Moo-Mooo Jazz[/b][/size]

[size=3][b]Listen up guys, you are all going to find this extremely funny... You know I've been saying all along that I would have preferred the Butterscotch over the Sunburst because the latter remind me of Gordon Sumner, whom I am not that fond of, to say the least?? Well I got well and truly f****ed! Smacked it right in my face, call it poetic justice! Fact is that when I went to order it, I have learnt that the only one left at that dealer that sold them for £499 [url="http://www.musicwarehouse.co.uk/product.asp?P_ID=2074&strPageHistory=search&strKeywords=Fender,Precision&numPageStartPosition=11&strSearchCriteria=any&PT_ID=all"]see this link[/url] was infact a sunburst as they have sold out of the Butterscotch, now... I asked them if they could get me a Butterscotch, and they told me sorry mate these are the only one left, as Fender UK is discontinuing them!! I said wait a minute I'll be back, I phoned Fender myself and they confirmed it. There's only 2 or 3 Buttescotch left in the country but they are selling them between £600 and £699 depending on the retailer. Now the £499 price from Music Warehouse was impossible to beat and so... I was forced to get the fugging Sting one. GRRRRRRR, serves me right for mouthing off Gordon, oh well at least I've got it for £100 less than the other shops so... I just couldn't let it go. There you go. Lesson learnt.[/b][/size]

[quote name='faceman' post='811232' date='Apr 19 2010, 12:31 PM']I've ordered my wiring kit from eBay and going to get an upgraded pickup. Where did you get your Seymour Duncan from for £45.00? Cheapest I have found is £56.00 from GAK but guessing it might be cheaper elsewhere The reason I'm upgrading? I love the weight, colour and feel of the bass. The neck is sublime but I think upgraded electronics will really help. It has a little more something to it than the MIM standards in my opinion![/quote] I have a frendly dealer in US, email him at: [email protected] his name is Jack Matthews, tell him Fran from London sent you, ps.: its no secret by the way anyone can use him he buys directly from S.Duncan, however because I have dealt with him since the beginning of time, and had so many pickups from him he does me a special deal on the shipment cost, you might have to pay a little bitty more. Oh and it takes the parcel 5 days to get here after he has received it from S.Duncan.

[quote name='Paul S' post='811008' date='Apr 19 2010, 08:37 AM']Devil's advocate here. Is it worth spending the money? What is the total spend to do this upgrade (including new pups), and how would that compare with buying one that already has a similar spec? Could you get like for like, even secondhand, or does this really give you a standout instrument? Just curious. Totally agree about individual variation. When I was buying my main bass I tried everything on the wall and, despite my mind and wallet telling me I wanted a Squier, none came up to scratch compared with MIA Jazz or, what I ended up with, the MIJ Jaguar. But the Squier VM fretless Jazz I have (currently for sale - shameless plug) is a diamond.[/quote] Wiring Kit from ebay: £14.99 Seymour Duncan Vintage style pickup: £45.00 delivered. You can do it yourself otherwise a shop will charge you £30 for a half hour labour. All in all you are looking at £60 top or £90 if you have it done by a shop. The result is very satisfactory, if you are someone that can appreciate what's what in a bass you can't fail to notice the extra body oomph you get from these simple mods. The problem with the pickups supplied by Squier is that they are neither here nor there, they don't cut through well in a real band scenario and don't really translate the sound faithfully, everything else on these basses is spot on, ok, I forgot to add the tuners are a bit cheap but replacing these for decent ones can be expensive and at the end of the day we've all got tuner pedals so what if after a 5 song set you have to retune again? We do that normally with the high end gear anyway, don't we??

[quote name='chris_b' post='810446' date='Apr 18 2010, 05:03 PM']Stop digging!!![/quote] HAHAHA that's cool mate, nah worries, I've ordered the Butterscotch beauty and will get the TV Combo to go with it soon, it's got to be done ain't it?

I didn't mean to attack the Fender MIM but all the ones I have seen have had lousy neck pockets and paint jobs. In some cased the tuners were not even aligned properly on the back of the headstock, whereas all the CV's I have seen are perfectly manufactured and flawless in terms of constructions, even the wood used sound a lot better, more resonant and a heck of a lot lighter. Only problem with the CV's is the cheap wirings and pots £15 max will sort that out!!!. Apart from that they are ACE and I really do believe they are a class above MIM but if all of you that forked out for an MIM want to keep convince yourseves you've done well, be my guest, I'd rather buy sensibly than blindly just because it says Fender as opposed to Squire. Rant over

[quote name='merello' post='810385' date='Apr 18 2010, 03:54 PM']Bass players slagging Sting? Have you heard him playing and singing some of his sh*t? Outstanding.[/quote] yeah I give you that, he can play and sing, but so can Elton John, doesn't mean I have to think highly of them

[quote name='OutToPlayJazz' post='809218' date='Apr 17 2010, 10:17 AM']Yes, it was a professional keyboard player friend who bought a Fodera NYC series 5-string bass from Crack Converters for £80. They're the cheaper models in the range, but still around £2500 a pop! He's still got it. Uses it in his studio.[/quote] Probably Crack Converters had to shift that bass sharpish as it was too hot, obviously stolen with the police looking all over for it.

[quote name='chris_b' post='810351' date='Apr 18 2010, 02:57 PM']If you think that it's beneath you to play a bass that Sting also plays, then don't bother with either.[/quote] Well when I look at the butterscotch the last thing comes to my mind is Gordon Sumner, whereas when I look at the sunburst I go... oh no you w**ker! Oh and..... Out To Play Jazz, that pic with the bar stools and the 51 with the combo is luvvleyyyy, soon to become my screen background! Cheers

[quote name='Clarky' post='809905' date='Apr 17 2010, 10:33 PM']This place seems to be selling at £499 (if they have stock), more than £100 cheaper than every other online dealer [url="http://www.musicwarehouse.co.uk/product.asp?cookiecheck=yes&numPageStartPosition=1&strPageHistory=cat&strKeywords=&strSearchCriteria=&PT_ID=144&P_ID=2074&image.x=8&image.y=2&image=prod"]http://www.musicwarehouse.co.uk/product.as...&image=prod[/url][/quote] Thanks for the link that is a pukka price, I'll have some of that! Done deal!

[quote name='ezbass' post='809525' date='Apr 17 2010, 04:15 PM']I reckon it's down to what is the most comfortable to play (after the tone that is, but you'd expect them to be pretty much the same), the 51 being slab and the 54 being contoured. Both are nice though, I wonder what the sunburst would like with the black p/g?[/quote] [size=3][b]Here's one I've.... photoshopped earlier[/b][/size] [b][size=4]it still..... Stings, get it? [/size][/b]

Fact is the sunburst is nice too but the Sting connection really puts a downer on it, in my book.

[color="#F4A460"][size=5][i][b]Butterscotch it is then, thanks for the help.[/b][/i][/size][/color]

[quote name='Eight' post='809572' date='Apr 17 2010, 05:01 PM']The sunburst is definitely nicer. I *hate* that shape, but the burst appeases me a little. [/quote] *that shape* is exactly the same body shape as an ordinary Precision with a different pickguard, minus the body contour, if you mean the headstock shape, than it's a marmite thing, love it or hate it.

[quote name='donut' post='809567' date='Apr 17 2010, 04:58 PM']Aren't they both the 51? I thought it came in both those colour schemes. Anyway, I'd get the sunburst and change the pg out for a black one.[/quote] Yes you are right, I just didn't bother pointing it out as the issue is which to go for in terms of colour scheme, they are both slab body with no contour., both 51 reissues

[size=5][b]This one[/b] [/size] [size=5][b]Or this one[/b] [/size] The top one to me says ZZTop, it looks real vintage, the bottom one is also very nice but I am put off by it because it reminds me of that great big w#nker that goes by the name of Sting. Which one would you get, please vote, oh and THANKS for the help.

Vintage s/burst with maple fingerboard and non matching abortion up the pegs mate it's gotta be a maple fingerboard, you'd be mad to get a rosewood on either colours. even on white its Bernard Edwards, le chick c'est freak and all that... ftw!

[quote name='warwickhunt' post='808628' date='Apr 16 2010, 05:00 PM']Cheers lads. [/quote] Amazing, I have also weighted mine and its 8.8lbs too spot on!

[quote name='HarryPotter' post='808842' date='Apr 16 2010, 07:57 PM']That's interesting - I tried one of these side by side with a (good) current American Standard. I prefered the CV for feel but it was noticeable that the bass lacked definition on the E string, setup may have helped but to be honest it looked pretty good to me, also the strings didn't line up between the pole pieces properly. Did you find these problems pre mod and if so did the mods rectify this? For the money it's simply a stunning bass though.[/quote] No I didn't find that problem with the pole piece not lining up with the strings but I did complain from day one about the poor pickup sound. You are right: for the money, the CV Squiers are superb instruments, which are only being let down by what's under the pickguard. i.e. Cheap wiring, dreadful pickups and pots. Truthfully, it doesn't take a lot of cash to upgrade them. Whereas I feel sorry for that bloke who spent a lot of money trying to upgrade a Flea Bass only to find out he ended up with a turd he just couldn't polish, on the other end, every penny spent on these Squier is paid back in sound, feel and overall enjoyment. And mark my words: [b]25 years from now these will be as sought after as the 1985 JV series[/b]. Hell! We already know they beat the Fender MIM gear hands down on quality, necks and finish!!

The reason I ask is this: [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fender-51-Precision-Bass-Guitar_W0QQitemZ190387730528QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item2c53fe3860"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fender-51-Precision-...=item2c53fe3860[/url] I love that bass, and the price is not bad but.... and this is a big [size=4][b]BUT[/b][/size] would you trust crack converters? on ebay? I can't help thinking that maybe that bass belong to some poor bloke who had it stolen and now some crack head sold it to cash converters without them doing any checks with the police if the bass is genuine. Also what if it's a fake? The auction is minutes now from the end, but much as I am tempted, my better judgment tells me to refrain from bidding and see if I can get one from a more "secure" source at a later date. What do you think, have any of you bought a quality bass from them and were satisfied with the quality and genuinity of it?

[quote name='warwickhunt' post='808143' date='Apr 16 2010, 10:42 AM']Can I ask a favour? Those folks who own one of these CV P basses; what is the weight of your bass? I know that they are going to be somewhere between 8 - 10lb but I wondered what the actual 'average' weight was coming in at. Likely going to have to buy one blind so it gives an indication as to what to expect. Cheers[/quote] I'll put it on the scale when i get home and report.

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Squier-Classic-Vibe-Precision-Bass-Fiesta-Red-Fender_W0QQitemZ260586142105QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item3cac24f999"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Squier-Classic-Vibe-...=item3cac24f999[/url] Get in there!