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[quote name='Jazzneck' timestamp='1362851961' post='2005389'] Balls - this one did, recorded in August 1969. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6_B6zhENrQ[/media] [/quote] I'd love to have been at the hippy fair they did as one of their first gigs and checked out the looks on the faces when this dropped. Still heavy as hell, I need to learn it actually. [quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1362877892' post='2005839'] Cave-In - 'Big Riff'. More of a classic take on what id class as heavy. [/quote] Also a good one, I do like a bit of Cave In.

A quick Google didn't throw much up but the Red Deer, Uni Arms, West St Live and the Broadfield seem to do open mic stuff, although it doesn't say what night they're on. I thought the Red House did too.

[quote name='thumbo' timestamp='1362819479' post='2005102'] It's good to see someone in the UK stocking them [/quote] Not according to my wallet.

Like but don't love them. Diamond Eyes was very dull IMO, very few standout tracks but the new one is a lot more fresh and generally much better. I think I was one of the few people I knew in the late 90's who didn't like the first album. Loved Around the Fur.

[quote name='ezbass' timestamp='1362234598' post='1997336'] Yeah I feel your pain here (or at least I have done in the past). Unless you're a tribute band, all songs are up for grabs to do in your own style (the various versions of Superstition by famous artists other than SW are a case in point). My general rule is, try it and if it works do it, if not bin it, just don't go in with the preconception that it should sound exactly like the original. [/quote] There are about 8 clavinova tracks on 'Superstition' so you have to really. I've got a keyboard with a lot of different usable sounds on it so we usually fudged any sounds we couldn't make ourselves.

[quote name='Toasted' timestamp='1362048295' post='1994876'] Depends on your perspective really, doesn't it? [/quote] You can offset it against what I would have spent on drink and transport but not really in pure monetary terms. We certainly weren't paid and wouldn't ask for money as it was a favour for a good friend so I didn't mind paying out. I do mind someone assuming we're raking it in and I'm just being difficult. I took the opportunity to take a break as it's a simple song and there was no reason to have 2 guitars and piano playing the same part. We'd all agreed what songs we weren't going to play on well in advance and I took over drums on "Your Song" so that Stu could have a break. It was all planned and worked out so it was as fair as possible for everyone. I just happen to hate that song so bonus. I certainly played enough stuff I didn't enjoy but needed to play on. My point being you don't have to play it if you don't need to. If there's 3 of playing one chord progression on a song for the sake of it or you all hate the songs your band plays then that's your problem. Join better bands or play better songs. For the once every 18 months or so I gig for free at friends weddings I'm going to carry on drawing the line where I'm not enjoying it and it's not detrimental to the song, and you know, actually enjoy the experience.

Well Tom and I met up today along with another local bassist (Nicky Grayson who I'm not sure posts on here) who we thought might be able to provide some useful input. Still in the early pre-prototype stages, here are the very basics of operation. Signal is split into 2:- 1) Clean signal with bass and treble EQ to mitigate the loss of lows mentioned elsewhere in the thread so it doesn't have to be compensated for at the amp. 2) Filtered signal with lower and upper cutoff frequencies adjustable (this was for ease of build as opposed to a sweepable frequency centre and width and hopefully more flexible) and an internal trimpot for resonance control on the low pass filter. The filtered signal will go to a Rat style distortion circuit. The 2 signals are then combined with a blend control and an overall level control sets the volume. Tom was aware of the phase cancellation issues at the upper and lower boundaries of the filtered signal and will deal with them somehow. He's built a ridiculous Meatball clone with 14 external pots and several switches so I can only assume he's got to grips with bass filters to at least some degree! He also had a number of excellent ideas for other functions, as did Nicky but I'm not sure how much to give away at this stage as it's such early days and it's all likely to change. Plus I don't want anyone stealing our ideas Basically, I've come away thinking this is a good idea which I wasn't sure of as there already seemed to be similar pedals out there and am really looking forward to how it turns out. Whatever happens, thank you everyone for your input and ideas so far, it's all been very useful.

I love them and seriously don't think I'd buy another brand of tube amp. My 80 watt old school looking amp may get laughed at my the scene kids with their solid state Marshall heads but when it's melting faces with the volume at barely over zero, I don't care. Add that to the fact that they're an hour away, know the amps inside out (duh) and charge a reasonable amount for repairs and it's a no-brainer.

That was me, it was regular guitar, we weren't getting paid and the other guitarist had it covered. It was for a friends wedding and I paid for van hire out of my own pocket so I was actually £70 down on the evening. There were a number of songs that all the band members didn't need to play on and so didn't. That was mine. It was either get a drink or stand there like a twunt for 3 minutes. Check-your-facts-counter-rant over.

Guyatone also do the SV2 Slow Volume. If you're handy with a soldering iron, BYOC do a clone of the Slow Gear.

[quote name='achknalligewelt' timestamp='1361811452' post='1991261'] In my old band, we had a three song Rolling Stones block - Brown Sugar, Honky Tonk Women and Start Me Up. I would tune out, daydream for a bit and then tune back in 10 minutes later to find my hands had played the entire section without any input from my brain at all. I cannot communicate how much I [i]hate [/i]the Rolling Stones. [/quote] This may amuse you. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8CtWUY7nvg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8CtWUY7nvg[/url]

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1361821450' post='1991536'] YES, IT'S BECAUSE IT HAS [b][size=5]'[size=8]W A N K[/size]'[/size][/b] IN THE MIDDLE OF IT!! [/quote] Fixed for you

[quote name='iceonaboy' timestamp='1361814563' post='1991332'] I dont mind the Stones. Certainly there are a few of their songs that are rotten , but its the Beatles that I hate. I just never got their thing at all. I realise that Im in the minority, but I just cant stand their stuff and Paul McCartney annoys the f*** out of me! [/quote] I think there's a 30 or so page thread you should see Back on topic. The Proclaimers - 500 Miles. We had 2 guitarists and I actually refused to play it, even out of all the other guff on the setlist. Just walked off stage, got a drink and left everyone else to it. Thankfully it was just for 1 gig and I've never had to play it again.

[quote name='pantherairsoft' timestamp='1361629490' post='1988507'] There is this from WMD which is a beast - [url="http://www.wmdevices.com/acoustictrauma.php"]http://www.wmdevices...ustictrauma.php[/url] However if you are in Tom's hands then I'd say you've found your answer. Tom (TGFlatline/Cog Effects) is a friggin' genius who needs to start shouting about his abilities far more than he currently does!!!!! Amazing stuff. [url="http://www.sheponbass.co.uk/blog/new-pedal-builder-on-the-scene-cog-effects.html"]http://www.sheponbas...og-effects.html[/url] [/quote] The WMD looks cool but we've gone from 1 to 2 to 3 band distortion! Not that it's a bad idea but it's increasing in complexity. Like I said, nothing's decided yet so all this is useful. I saw your phaser and it looked very nice, you got any sound samples? And that 3 in 1 beast is for a friend of mine, it's now pretty much his entire board apart from a Sansamp.

[quote name='hamfist' timestamp='1361611137' post='1988151'] The Black Sheep is a different animal and isn't anything like a bandpass distortion, merely letting you sculpt the bass/mids/treble content of the distorted sound back into the clean tone. It's a much better execution of the concept for me. The key is being able to have control of the overdrive from those 3 main tonal areas. Different balances of which will give hugely varying tones. [/quote] Looks like the ranges you can distort are fixed on the Black Sheep but I like the flexibility of being able to do 3 separately. It sounds very cool on the youtube video I'm watching at the moment. Looks like dual band might be the way to go, low end fixed range with one control to dial low end drive to avoid the loss dannybuoy mentioned, and the upper range set by the user.

[quote name='dannybuoy' timestamp='1361576416' post='1987981'] It sounds good in concept but not in practice (to me at least). I've tried the Markbass, Ashdown and Owen pedals. First, the overdrive sound of all 3 was quite weak with not a lot of low end. Then, when you add a big dollop of distorted mids on top of your clean sound, you end up having to turn the overall volume down which makes the low frequencies quieter. Also the band pass filter made it sound a bit like the distortion was running through a fixed wah pedal all the time which didn't sound natural. [/quote] Good feedback, sounds like I need to go and listen to the pedals you and simwells mentioned to see if the issues you mentioned are going to be too much of a problem or what can be done about them.

I was really looking at the distortion possibilities than the dynamic filter side of it so it's not my priority to be honest, but I won't rule out exploring it. Interesting idea though, something to bear in mind depending on how the filter controls end up working out. If the range has to be fixed but the centre is variable and CV controlled, then that could be very cool, especially if you can turn the dirt off.

[quote name='simwells' timestamp='1361568925' post='1987875'] What are you thinking of basing the distortion/overdrive circuit itself on? [/quote] No clue but open to suggestions! I like the Harmonic Percolator for guitar but maybe not bass. Rat maybe? I love my Rat.

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1361567642' post='1987844'] Now if you could have the filter controlled with an expression pedal & also have an envelope follower that has a CV in for controlling the amount. Have notched sliders for what frequencies you want to affect, the ability to turn the distortion on or off & have the filter still in place. Put an octaver at the start & chorus at the end , sell it for less than £300 & I'll buy it!* [/quote] I'm not sure about the feasibility/cost of the expression or CV control although it has crossed my mind since I posted that. I guess the ability to turn the dirt on/off is tied to that feature, or would that be useful anyway? And can you explain the CV thing a bit more? I'm a bit clueless about that kind of thing. It'll probably be internal DIPs for the fine tuning of frequency selection but it's very much at the idea stage at the moment so it's very much up in the air. I like the look of sliders though and they'll be easier for onstage tweaking. I like it! As for the extra effects, not on the prototype but maybe one day!

A while ago on a thread on here about Wampler pedals we'd like to see I suggested this:- "[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]A distortion pedal with clean blend and a filter to target the upper and lower frequency ranges of the effected signal."[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Well Tom George (I forget his username on here, I think it's TGFlatline) has started making some very nice looking bass effects in Sheffield at [url="http://www.cogeffects.co.uk/"]http://www.cogeffects.co.uk/[/url] and reckons it's totally do-able. I reckon I'll commission one but I thought I'd ask you guys for your input on the technical details.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]My thoughts were it would effectively split the signal, one side passing through as a totally clean signal and the other into a filter, where you'd set the lower and upper cutoff ranges with 2 controls. The filtered signal then goes into an overdrive or distortion circuit and combined back with the clean signal via a blend control. Want a dirty top end without losing all your lows? Done. Want your basic tone but with a little extra mid-range growl? Entirely possible.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Firstly, is it different enough to what's already available to actually be worth doing or is this how every other dirt pedal works and I'm being thick? Assuming it's different enough from a normal EQ, what frequency ranges should we be looking at?[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Any input welcomed at this stage basically.[/font][/color]

It's clearly comedian Kevin Eldon.