Phil Starr

I'd love to see and hear it. It might be difficult to hide under the table for a blind test though It would be really great if you can bring it along.

Sorry to hear that, I was going to chase you about half finished projects Hope the family aren't too bad and will all be on the mend soon.

Perfect, see you tomorrow

I can't remember which BC112 version you have, if it is a tweetered version and you have space it would be good if you could bring both and the TC would be great anyway. I'll bring my Zoom Recorder but the room acoustics aren't great as we know. It might be nice to have a couple of photo's but I'm not going to be expecting it to be very formal so i'm not sure a video would work.

I'd like to do another cab shootout in the side room but i've left it late to organise, It would be great to do a shootout of 12's preferably with tweeters so if you have anything at home fitting that description it would be great to bring it along so we can compare as many brands as possible. It would be nice to gather as many self builds as possible too and I'm hoping to be able to run people through winISD if anyone is interested and to offer any help on self building I can.

Brilliant, we will be doing something in the side room with home built cabs it would be great if you could join us there tomorrow with your two cabs.

Thanks for this Chris, what a huge amount of work and thanks so much for sharing. It's a wonderful resource.

I was hoping for something from this century but I'm no better. Humble Pie Rockin' the Fillmore Humble Pie - Performance: Rockin' the Fillmore (full album) (VINYL) - YouTube Doors Absolutely Live Who Do You Love (Live) - YouTube Benny Goodman Carnegie Hall 1938 Sing Sing Sing - Carnegie Hall 1938 - YouTube That last has a claim to be the first ever concert of popular music, depends how you define concert of course but if so it was good to kick it all off with a good one. Love the drums.

Welcome to Basschat there are a number of designs we've shared on here, the 110Tin the thread above Richard linked you to and there is also a 12" cab and a 112T. The cab above would also work without a tweeter and crossover and you could also add those later if you preferred. The cab will also work with a range of other drivers and if any tweaks are needed we can do them for you.

thanks for posting this @TheGreek we don't have many levers to pull so it might be interesting to hear what they are.

In the F112you have one of the best bass speakers around. We've done shootouts of 12's including one of BC's favourite contenders and it's still the standard by which we'd judge other cabs. I don't think anyone is being funny about your cab, objectively it is one of the best cabs around. There are advantages of having multiple drivers but PJB have sacrificed at least one by putting them side by side. I suspect they are just meeting demand for a bigger version from people who like the sound of their 7's, nothing wrong with that of course. If you want a more coloured sound or just have an itch you need to scratch then I'd try before you buy.

Are you just speculating about this or thinking of a purchase? If you fancy one of these cabs then they are different beasts all together. The Fearless is really a frfr speaker with great drivers and a decent crossover. It'll give you a really honest sound up to significantly High levels. The PJB is an unusual design which makes little sense in purely theoretical terms (why 7's, why put them side by side) but PJB make well loved speakers so just because they are quirky it doesn't mean they sound bad. The only way to find out is to try them. As you've pointed out cone area is a factor but only one. If you want some discussion of the design implications of multiple small drivers then that is a different issue

Just a quick update. My band did a proper pub gig! The First in nearly two years. @stevie was kind enough to come along, so we had to give the 110T a run out. In the second set we swapped to try his new super speaker. So the pub was atypical British pub not ideal for live music, originally two bars knocked into a single space. U shaped with is jammed into a tight space in the corner. There were maybe 50 people there and it wasn't rammed so a decent size but not huge. We had no PA support for the bass. For practical reasons the bass cab was jammed into the corner behind the drumkit and out of reach. Soundcheck was minimal, about 90secs. Not ideal and I was mixing so just a matter of setting levels. Far too much bass because of the corner position so I cut that on the bass and just managed to reach across and trim the bass eq back and boost the mids before having to set up the drummer's in ears. He'd forgotten the batteries, not downloaded the app and used my in ears. By this time we were late so just got on with the First set. Said drummer is lovely man 30 years younger than me and well built so he is loud but I had turned the bass down so there was plenty of volume from this tiny cab. We aren't the absolutely loudest band out there but Stevie who arrived to hear the end of the First set said he was surprised how loud we were. That volume is set by the drummer of course. The bass sound where I was seemed ok. It was dominated by resonances from the corner position and was abit woolly but the horn was doing it's job well and I was getting plenty of detail. Out front Stevie reported that the balance was fine but the bass sound could have been less bass dominated and more mid forward. So conclusions? Well if 50-100people is a medium sized gig then this little speaker will be enough indoors. Sitting on the floor with the speaker backed against the wall you'll be trimming back the bass. For me it worked really well as a monitor in a difficult space. The dispersion characteristics of the horn made my job as a bassist easy. The big plus for me is that I can say for certain that even with it's diminutive size and modest power handling it was really happy matching a very solid drummer. Back at the gig second set and Stevie's new 'super speaker' 🔊 . Well that's his story, but it was super.

Not if it is disconnected I'd check the crossover is disconnected too. often it's just a high pass filter with only a couple of components to protect the tweeter but it's possible there is something filtering out the the high frequencies from the 10's. If all your horn is doing is blocking a hole it's probably best to just run a connection from the sockets to the speakers bypassing everything else. Though if you've been using it happily for years it's probably fine

You'll be fine. The 8ohm rating is only an 'average' rating as the impedance varies with frequency anyway. In a properly designed cab the crossover deals with all this for you swapping the signal from the bass units to the tweeter anyway so the amp always 'sees' the right impedance. If the tweeter is out of circuit anyway it will have no effect on impedance.

The bit that makes no sense is that Speakons are designed to be idiot proof. The whole shape of the sockets makes it really difficult/impossible to get the wrong plug into the socket. You can't for example get a Powercon connector to fit even though they look similar and i can't think of an instrument cable that would fit in any way. I think it was a Speakon but may have been faulty, who knows? I also think Paul is right, something was wrong and the protection circuits cut in and saved any further problems. I hope you'll find all is good and you won't have problems in future. I stick one lead in my guitar case and one in with the amp so it halves the chance of ending up with a lead missing and gives me a spare if one goes down at a gig.

My heart goes out to you, it's horrible to have an equipment failure at a gig. It's easy to say now but next time use the lead straight from bass to amp and cut out as much as you can, if bass amp and speakers are working you can get to the end of the gig. If they cant then you can then think about going straight to the PA. No-one can be definitive because it sounds like you tried pretty much everything but panic stops you remembering exactly what. To me however if you continued through the PA sub then you had a signal as far as the Ashdowns DI out, and it may be the speakon lead. They generally have screw connectors which means they are easy to fix (no soldering) but fail fairly easily. The grub screw comes loose and you get an intermittent connection until the lead comes right out. I'm a bit worried about your Helix too, if it is playing up you need to address that too. It may be you have a couple or more faults to sort before the next gig. There's loads of stuff on YouTube to tell you how to wire a Speakon How to make-wire SpeakON cables for PA speakers #DIY37 - YouTube Looks like you are just down the road from me, pm me if you get stuck

yep all good now

Another vote for the Lidl batteries, I bought a couple of 12 packs of the coloured ones (2,300mAh, ready charged) a few years ago after having good results with some older versions too. Most of them are a few years old now with the oldest maybe 10 years old. I probably lose at most a couple a year that won't charge, but basically they go on forever, a few are rolled out at Christmas only to power lights and they are all good too even after sitting unused for 11 months, the rest are in pretty constant use and have been recharged hundreds of times. I also have a Lidl intelligent charger that does what it says on the tin, the only thing is that if I completely flatten them (usually by leaving my Zoom B10N on overnight) it detects the batteries as duds. I have an old fashioned trickle charger and 5 mins in that gives enough charge for the intelligent charger to identify them as good. Once charged they are back to behaving normally. At gigs they run the B1 a Zoom H4N recorder and my Line6 wireless transmitter plus my Trantec in ears receiver and all run for longer than the length of the gig, I carry spares but have never needed them.

I'm another with a pair of 1x12's one will pretty much match the drums (and why would I want to be louder then the drummer) the second is there for the odd time I play bigger venues.

Zoom B1-Four. I do all my headphone practice with mine, great headphone sound and comes with a tuner, drum machine , dozens of fx and some useful built in cab and amp emulations. I use mine with batteries (rechargeable AA's) and get about 10 hours out of them. That cuts the leads down by one and means I can practice anywhere. And it's cheap!

First of all well done for doing this, I'm sure people will find it helpful. I hesitate to make too many suggestions which will make extra work for you but a couple of things to possibly consider. I think anyone looking at this with a view to buying would want a comprehensive list of the lightest cabs. Would it be fairer to include all cabs below a certain weight? In your 12's for example you have a cab at 14.9kg which is a bit of a middleweight, but you only have one Barefaced. All their 12's are lightweight and if I was looking for a light 12 I'd want to know the full list. I can't see a 33kg Ampeg as lightweight Along a similar vein adding a horn, crossover and compression driver is going to add at least 2kg so target for designing a lightweight 12 might be 10kg for a single driver and 12kg for one with a tweeter. You could effectively end up excluding all tweetered cabs from your list. Maybe you could have a separate list for tweetered cabs? Finally I'm concerned at the power ratings manufacturers give. I see one manufacturer is rated by you as 600W (their ads say use a 600W amp), but the speaker they use is a modified Eminence driver which is thermally rated at 400W by Eminence. Other manufacturers are using the same driver rated (correctly IMO) at 400W. The same speaker is rated as 97db per watt sensitivity but maximum output is quoted by the cab maker as 127db, it's actually nearer 121db and similar to nearly every other 12" speaker on your list. To get that output would take 1000W(+30db) It's all a bit of a minefield so maybe you could put in a note to say that the power handling figures are from the manufacturers and people need to take them with a pinch of salt. I wouldn't go near trying to find and list the maximum output/ sensitivity figures I don't think you'll find any objective figures.

It would be good to see you there. It's tough to get out to see a lot of bands at the moment but it's a great place to get to hear a lot of gear all in one place and to try it all out.

Frank Blank - Spirit Of The Bash, bike park Rich - Shuker custom 5, Tanglewood acoustic 4 - both basses strung with nickel Elixirs. Korg Pandora (if I can find the feckin thing) and trusty Sennheiser cans wrinkleygit - Jabba’s Semi Hollow Fretless, ‘72 Gibson EB0, SWR Working Mans 10 combo & 1x10 ext cab & a set of h’phones. Both basses strung with Labella flats scrumpymike - FOR SALE: Eden WT550 Traveler; Ashdown ABM 600 EVO IV. 'Keepers' also on display will be: my no. 1 gig bass 'Rascal Mervyn-Lyte; 'Rascal Lyte Mkll; Sandberg Cali lV s-s; Mesa Subway TT-800; a pair of BF SC3 cabs; a Gillett Contour or two (or maybe even 3) - one of which will prolly be FS. Pea Turgh - My Frankenstein Jazzguarman(!) strung with D’Addario XL Chrome flats. My black bitsa (same strings). Probably my Peterson combo which I’ll flit between selling and not selling (still). Stevie - Ibanex SR1200-VNF, Ashdown RM500, BCbass 112, plus some other bass cab developments (probably) yorks5stringer - Warwick Star Bass Proline (4 string), Status GP Artist (again 4 string), Marcus Miller Micro 101, 1972 Telecaster Bass (poss.), Shuker Course 5 String (poss.) Andyjr1515 - Not yet sure what I will be bringing except my athletic physique and chiselled good looks (and if you believe that.... ) stewblack - Trace Elliot Rig of Death. Ric inspired 'tributes' various amps and basses for sale unless they shift here first. A hernia (probably). basstone - For Sale refurbished Marshall DBS200 combo fitted with beyma 12" speaker. BC v3 cab with G&K MB500 amp. '78 Fender fretless jazz bass with rotosound nylon coated strings. Probably plus one other bass TBD Woodinblack - Ibanez EHB1505, Shuker Uberhorn, Chapman Stick, PositiveGrid Spark amp. Chienmortbb - BC112 speaker, Bugera Mosfet amp, Fender Aerodyne and/or Greg Bennett semi acoustic bass ( might sell if the offers are right). I may even bring my homebrew 500 watt amp designed in conjunction with Passinwind if finished. Cuzzie - tbc MoJoke - whatever demo gear is left over from the month before (Manchester Bass Show), so will definitely have my Casa rig, probably the new Vintage D2 head (which I am thinking of selling the Casa to buy... it’s that good!), and I'll try and bring Markbass instruments and some packs of the new Markbass strings to give away olipaulo - Fender Elite Jazz, Status Empathy 5 and PRS SE Kestrel. Markbass CMD 151P, SWR LA15, GK MB112-ii and GK MB212-ii (the last three are for sale so they may be missing from the bash). Helix LT & IEMs sbrag -- some or all of: Yamaha bb1100s, G&L JB Tribute (Tuned d std), Shergold Marathon, MTD CRB with tone styler preamp (Tuned D std), Tobias Toby Pro, Hohner B2A, Encore Fretless P with Roto tapewounds, Tanglewood Elf, Bugera Veyron T, Barefaced Super Twin T, Various pedals Triumph_Rock - Rickenbacker 4003S5, Sterling Stingray Sub4 HH, Ashdown Little Stubby Amp, Ashdown 15" Cab. Richard Jinman - tbc Stub Mandrel - Fender Performer, Deathburger (sublime to the ridiculous) maybe another bass and an amp. Norm - I'll bring my '98 Stingray 4 (could be for sale/trade), Squier VM Jazz 5, Squier VM Precision 5, Trace Elliot v4 head & Barefaced Vintage 2x15, Roland Microbass & headphones, earplugs & my wallet, looking at what peeps are bringing with FS tags on!!!! BreadBin - not sure what I'll be bringing, maybe my Taurus 4x10 plus rackmount Pre/Power setup. Jimrs2k2 - all the normal stuff, some of which maybe for sale. PhilStarr - BC 112 Mk1, BC110T, BC Easybuild 12, maybe some other self build designs. Peavey MiniMax, Burny Thunderbird (Japanese Matsumoku copy)

that was my best next bet. It's BassChat live and local. Basschatters meeting up in Somerset bringing along loads of gear and sharing ideas, experience and GAS. Oh and the food is fantastic Sept 19th if you can wait that long The Big Fat South-West Bass Bash - Now Sunday 19th September 2021 - Events - Basschat