SimonK

I believe the bible only allows 7, 8 or ideally 10 strings, so rock played with a combination of 4 string and 6 string instruments is clearly an abomination... djent on the other hand...

Posted this in my introductory thread but realised I didn't leave it here. This was my attempt at covering both acoustic guitar and various effect options for bass (rotating between the octaver, chorus and filter) in a gig where I needed to play both at different times, however in the week or so since this picture things have already changed as I took the acoustic guitar pedals off for an acoustic only gig, then made a stripped down bass pedal board for this weekend...

Although I use 3EQ stingrays that have pretty powerful onboard EQ, I wanted something that would give me an instant different EQ curve for throwing in a bit of slap in particular. I looked at the £250+ parametric EQ/preamp pedals available, but then realised something cheap, cheerful and reliable would do the job. Will be using it at band practice tonight for the first time and then for real on Sunday.

...of course the irritating thing I have just noticed is that someone has replaced one of the 10" speakers on my 2103x so they no longer match - I've had it for years and thought that was the original design, only noticing today when looking at the advert above and thinking that's funny, the tens match in the pictures whereas mine don't! I shone a torch (flashlight for Americans) through the grill and sure enough you can see it wasn't factory mounted! So if we want speaker mixing mine is 2x5, 1x15, 1x10 + a different 1x10... but still sounds fine and survived tens of gigs and yes, is plenty loud.

With the reputation Trace had for being absolute top of the range I would hope they put more thought into it than that - they certainly marketed them well as I think they were a flagship product for most of the 90s:

I totally accept that with modern drivers two of the same cab will, on average, be better than mixing cabs, but the TE example I've posted strikes me as potentially an exception because here someone has actually sat down and designed three different sized speakers to work together? Regarding the cross-over and bi-amped comment, I do agree when it comes to PA systems and wanting to split middle/high frequencies from low frequencies using cabs designed to produce very different frequency responses, thus making more efficient use of power amps. But my suspicion in lieu of finding any actual frequency response curves of these two cabs in particular, is that they probably overlap significantly certainly at higher and mid frequencies, the main difference probably being at the low end with (at a guess) the 15 inch going down to 30Hz and the 2103x probably only going down to maybe 100Hz. So efficiency would be less of an issue whereas sounding "fuller" and getting better dispersion may have been what the designers were trying to optimise in this particular case?

That's awesome - and worth framing in the same way as noise abatement notices from the council! I both play in a church on Sundays, and used to be in a covers band that practiced mid-week in a big old Anglican church - I do recall someone once coming in while we were playing Deep Purple's Hush and say something similar... I think we told them we would only play songs about God from then on and promptly started Stairway to Heaven next...

Sorry to dig this one up, but something written in another thread got me searching for discussions on mixing cabs as I've recently been using this combination: ...and combined they defintely sound "fuller" than individually. A bit of digging into old TE catalogues and around the interweb tells me that the top cab - 2103x - with both 2x5 and 2x10 drivers is voiced to work specifically with a 1x15 inch cab as here, albeit I'm mixing TE eras (I believe the top cab is early 90s and the bottom is late 90s based on no green fuzz & green fuzz). So I'm guessing this rig may be an exception to the don't mix drivers debate?

Just listened to the Rend Collective's version - please tell me your band will be using an upside down bin and a banjo - that's an awesome version of the hymn!

It's funny how although we know that it is the speaker & cab that actually moves the air that our ear subsequently detects, as musicians/guitarists/bass players we get so fixated with other things that we stray away from the basic principle that if the speaker & cab is crap, it doesn't matter what you plug into it, the sound will be crap! If we chose gear with our ears rather than heart we would probably all be rocking the most expensive cabs and somewhat cheaper basses... One thing I would say, however, is if you want to cut through a mix and get maximum volume for size of cab I would go for a 4x10 over a 1x15 every time. The maths shows it will be about twice as loud (as mentioned above, 176 sq in for a 1x15, 315 for 4x10) and to my subjective ear I think they cut through mixes better (but accept others will have different views on this one point). I think if you look around there are plenty of people down-sizing and getting rid of 4x10s given the apparent new craze for 2x10s and 2x12s.

It's funny, we always do the 4/4 "Celtic" version of Be Thou My Vision and when someone tried to do it 3/4 the other week I got totally confused! Our "set" list this week is: City on a Hill Here I Am to Worship Living Hope O Praise the Name My Lighthouse Probably fretless on the middle three while the first and last have slappage and maybe even Fuzz potential!

Yes it's a momentary mute that allows me to switch basses without pops, and also keep the tuner in line which I find particularly helpful with the fretless especially if the monitor mix is less than ideal (looking down to check that what I think is a G actually is a G!!). Also have a Line6 G30 wireless mounted under the board next to the 1 spot pro power supply. Putting the wireless under the board does not seem to affect reception and frees up some space - albeit space isn't a problem this week!

Just got the song list for this week and am going with a stripped down pedalboard. The GEB-7 will hopefully provide some instant slap tone, and the Muff is there for aspirational purposes!

Awesome - thank you - I will see if I can find something that fits.

I started putting loop (soft) on the pedals many years ago and now have all my pedals coated in them, which is fine if pedal boards come without pre-applied velcro as you can put it on whichever way you want, but now I have my eye on the D'Addario expandable boards and these come with pre-applied loop velcro (so the wrong way round for me): https://www.daddario.com/xpnd-pedalboard/ At the moment it's stopping me ordering the board as I'm not sure how easy it will be to get off, and I don't want to destroy a new pedalboard before I've even had the chance to use it!

That would be amazing if you have one!

Here's my shelves. I keep moving things on and off the actual pedalboards which is why none of the boxes are quite the right size!

Does anyone know where to get the green and red caps for the gain and master volume knobs? I'm almost at the point of buying another TE just to strip for parts! Likewise I've lost a port-cap as well?

...if you are going to build a speaker enclosure (and you don't already have a degree in acoustics) best to binge watch Barefaced Audio's youtube channel - Alex is very good at explaining everything, and also answers emails!

You are welcome to bring a bass along and give it a try if you want, although that might scare the rest of the slimming world group! You probably know my sister & brother in law - Phil & Tany - who are at Above Bar. I've moved away from DI boxes and use class D heads as they almost all have decent DI's built in and give you the option of plugging in a cab if you ever need to. We are toying with the idea of going IEM at St Lukes - we do so already for the drummer - but have had a bit of a PA splurge recently so arguing for any more is a bit difficult at the moment (yes that is a new sub next to the bass amp)!

Indeed, which is why "my" amp is the tiny Aguilar that is near as dammit to the TE sound wise, and I can hold it in one hand. These Trace combos I am putting together are definitely for staying in church, and good luck to anyone who wants to try to steal them!

Small world - if you are meaning St Lukes! You will probably have seen the little procession of bass amps recently. This is because I have a friend who is an electronics whizz so we have been buying old, broken, amps and fixing them up. While we sell most of them I put the ones I like in church for a bit until something better comes along. That's why there was an Ashdown Mag 300 for six months or so until I donated it to another church that needed a bass amp. Then we had a Trace GP7 with a 1x15, but after I found a Trace 4x10 missing its amp (for £50!) we switched the GP7 out of the smaller combo and into the one in the picture above. I'm waiting for a suitably priced GP11 or 12 to come along at which point I will probably give the GP7 back to its original speaker. My personal current rig is an Aguilar 350 into a Trace 2103x and 1518 which I had in church over Christmas while I was getting the Trace combo sorted. However, I'm not convinced my stack sounds much better than the GP7 and 4x10!

The "right" way is the way that motivates the player. I did a sports coaching course a few years back and it was really stressed that if kids are not enjoying the sport they will stop playing. I think same goes for music. Perhaps what is reflected above is that it is more fun (mostly!) to play with other people, and thus easier to learn quickly due to the motivation, whereas practicing on your own is harder from a motivational perspective.