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[quote name='Chris2112' post='1339738' date='Aug 14 2011, 04:36 PM']I suppose this is the benefit of transcribing parts for all instruments to bass, not just transcribing other basslines. That means you can play them live, in situations like this, where necessary.[/quote] It was busked on the spot !

[quote name='JTUK' post='1339416' date='Aug 14 2011, 10:55 AM']I agree.. In my case, this is a very recent thing (maybe new girlfriend thing..which is UNEXCUSEABLE, anyway. but the reason I am annoyed about it is that he knows all this full well. His excuse isn't because he doesn't have the experience, and he can be the epitome of taste, plus a very fair player, but if it carries on, he will have to leave. At the next band meet, it will come up for sure. I don't agree at all with shutting down a song at a gig or replying like for like...but I'd be tempted. [/quote] I agree it's less than professional to snatch someone else's line in retaliation, I'm certainly not proud of it. But the other night really was the last straw, as the point had came up in conversation many, many times before. I'm not in a position to dictate who plays in the band, so the choices are a bit limited while avoiding drastic measures.

[quote name='BigRedX' post='1339112' date='Aug 13 2011, 09:22 PM']Actually if done well it can be hugely effective. With Dick Venom we do this quite a lot especially if the song is in E, I'll play some of the bassline an octave higher in the guitar range range rather than where you would expect it to be so both instruments are playing in unison. With the right guitar and bass sounds and with sufficient practice to get it tight (we spend a lot of time playing the riffs at three quarter speed to ensure that our timing is completely spot on and then gradually speed back up to the "proper" tempo). To pull it off requires musical discipline, but that's a skill I tend to value and expect the other that I play with to also value.[/quote] If the song is arranged for the bass to play in unison with another instrument it can sound really cool. Quo made a career from it. What sent me to the dark side was a.n. other playing space invaders with all the sensitivity of a herd of rhino.

That's what I did last night. The keyboard player mimicked my bassline in Alright Now. So I stole his keyboard line in the instrumental section of Whiter Shade of Pale. Got some strange looks, but it sure made the point.

Mission, If the audience can't tell what a bassline is, then the only thing they'll hear doing that line will be my bass and not another instrument doing it alongside. The bass guitar will be distinguishable from the rest.

Thought I wouldn't be the only one ! I've decided the next time it happens, I will tweak the frequencies sub 150 - 250 or so, then turn the volume up. That way, the audience will hear the bass guitar line played by the bass guitar and distinguishable from the imposters.

What do you think would happen if the bass player started copying everone else's lines ?

Thing is, I'm not averse to other people playing in the frequencies usually occupied by the bass guitar if the song is written for that to happen (bass and keyboard doing question/answer for instance- there's many more potential ways of doing it and it can be quite musical). The one that draws my attention is other band members doubling the bassline where that's not supposed to occur. For the guitarist - learn about rests For the keyboard player - you have soooo many other options at your disposal, why is it necessary to double up another player's line ? unless orchestrated to be so, it can sound muddy and conflicted, as others have mentioned here. Apologies for the rant, but this topic does get my attention from time to time. Just goes to show the value of the arranger. Oh, and as for untouchable basslines ......... PAH ! who are you kidding ? T

[quote name='scalpy' post='1338467' date='Aug 13 2011, 09:34 AM']I depped for a band, straight ahead pub rock stuff, only one bass moment in two hours, which I put a lot of work in for, learning the songs in funny keys because of the singer. Got to Alright Now, it's a well worn tune true but it is a fantastic bass moment just before the long full edit guitar solo, but he doubles the bass line before the foot on the monitor bit. Annoyed.[/quote] It was exactly this song last night for me. Keyboard player doubles up the bassline you know where. Come to think of it, apart from notes on the beat during the chorus, that is the ONLY bassline. It was the last song but one. I've known guitarists to jump on the bassline too. When asked why, I was told "Well, there's nothing else for me to do". Strewth (By the way Jack, you are not on your own mate, we could form a club with this topic in mind)

Almost gave a +1 to being immune to neck profiles, but reflected a bit a realised that some basses (and guitars) can influence the nature and content of my playing when playing alone. One bass inspires a something more like a jazz style, playing fairly light and quick, while another will inspire a more groove orientated mood. Neck profile is one factor of many such as acton (and fret buzz), resonance etc Just my observations

Most of us have probably been there, at some point or other So there you are, you're focussed on your bass line, maybe doing vocals as well, the sound balance is not too bad for that gig. The band's warmed up and ticking over nicely. Then another band member starts playing your bassline.......... Speechless Anyone else get this ??????

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That's not something you see every day ! Thanks for posting that one

If you're ready to pounce quick, they can be found 2nd hand for around £650 (ish), usually closer to £700. There was one on BC for a number of weeks at around £725 a few months ago. The e-bay deal I had was just a lucky chance bid that came off. I paid almost twice the e-bay deal for my other one, which was still worth every penny.

[quote name='Bigwan' post='1328212' date='Aug 5 2011, 07:57 AM']How cheeky, as a matter of interest?[/quote] I put in a bid on the off chance it may win, but really expecting it to be well and truly outbid. Felt like Christmas when I won it !! Let's just say it was under £500

I've probably bored the pants off everyone talking about my RW Precision, basically saying the same things as the OP. The Precision came along after buying a RW Jazz from OutToPlayJazz (where is he these days ?) That Jazz turned out to be one of the finest Fender Jazzes I've ever played, but I still didn't have a sunburst RW. A cheeky bid on e - bay for the RW sunburst sorted that one out ! now there are two

[quote name='BottomE' post='1324650' date='Aug 2 2011, 06:32 PM']In some other threads i have seen a lot of love for Wizard pickups. Being in the same boat as you i am watching this thread but think i am gonna go stock Fender as i want the bass to sound like a Fender Precision. I am figuring that Fender pickups will give the most authentic Fender sound with other brands being a variation of the stock sound?[/quote] Confusing isn't it ? I wish there were some way of doing A/B tests with this or those brands and models without parting with cash, otherwise it seems a case of an expensive march through the market. There must be a better way of doing this, the P bass was around while Elvis was in short trousers !!

So the love seems to be for Lollars, SD Antiques, SPB1's and Fender originals. Thanks folks

[quote name='Vibrating G String' post='1322683' date='Aug 1 2011, 12:46 AM']I don't think that's a reasonable way to describe pickups as it assumes all '64's shared a common spec which they didn't. I would look to the winders of your choice and ask what they mean by those years. Generally I find they will ascribe the same tonal differences claimed by the wood choices associated with those years which is illogical to me.[/quote] Hmmm. Something I hadn't considered here, as I admit I did hold the assumption that Fender pickups of certain periods would be made to the specs of that time. Popular opinion seems to rate quality control as a bit of a wildcard here. VGS - you say that 64's were made to different specs. Can you give more info here please ? I'd genuinely like to know more. Reflecting a bit further on this topic, I now realise the whole idea of evolving pickup specs over time has been fostered by aftermarket manufacturers offering pickups to the specs of this or that year i.e Wizard 64's or 70's (that may not be exact, but I hope you get the point). Did Fender change specs over time ? for the same model P ? did specs change for different models ? Can anyone comment on QC on Fender pickup manufacture ? and the effects on the sounds generated as a result ? Oh- Skanks - you're so right. The range of aftermarket pickups is bewildering Thanks for all your replies so far everyone

[quote name='Lozz196' post='1322202' date='Jul 31 2011, 03:42 PM']The "Original/Vintage" Precision pickup from Fender is very good. I had one in an MIM P-bass, and it certainly upped the game on that a fair bit.[/quote] A Fender pickup(s) would be a great way to go. Are new pickups available from Fender to earlier specs across the years ?