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Spent the last few hours digging through some old Humble Pie records. Greg Ridley and Jerry Shirley were just immense as a rhythm section. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLKFGKkzuSA[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyKN8OzzO8s[/media]

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1330612145' post='1560361'] He plays a bit of bass too! Bill Bailey for BC! [/quote] Plays a bit of everything does Bill. Talented guy. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27je_AZxtBM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27je_AZxtBM[/url]

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1330602993' post='1560063'] I thought Mani was the guy from black books played by Bill Bailey [/quote] [attachment=101420:bb2_copy0.jpg] Thats who I thought everyone was on about. Sadly its not.... Bollox it anyways!

I cant remember the model number but rockcase have a case for broadneck Warwicks. Might be worth looking into.

For originals I switched from using the 5 to 4 strings as I rarely used the low B. I wouldnt dream of turning up at a function without an extended range bass (just use the 6er nowadays). Someone always sings in an awkward key and I prefer moving across the neck rather than frantic up and down movements.

Been using Dean Markley Blue Steels a lot over the last few months. D'Addario is always a good fall back for me.

As my good mate Barry always says..... [attachment=101216:l.jpg] ....threads are optional in Cork Biy!

[quote name='Pete Academy' timestamp='1330030463' post='1551849'] I must admit that the earlier post comparing him to Nathan East was a touch daft in my opinion. Can you see Alex with Fourplay? Nathan East is one of the best bass players in the world. Alex James is a bassist with limited experience, other than the pop band he has made a successful living with. [/quote] Not really Pete. I was asked for a list of names of bassists whom I considered to be remarkable. This was after labeling James and a few others as bog standard. That term was used to describe their basslines and not their technical abilities. Unfortunately some members misunderstood my angle of approach and took exception to the phrase. (queue 2 related threads) In that context I think that mentioning the names I did was not daft at all.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1330017997' post='1551556'] It's what I call very young I don't want to undermine your approach, but meaningful art comes from the emotions, experiences, philosophy, and articulated with the approriate techniques that the artist chooses. [u]Great art can not come from technical analysis and execution alone[/u], you just end up with an Athena poster of a sea, and a chess board, and a semi naked lady riding a swan into the vivid sunset beyond the chess board sea. It's meaningless rubbish, but lots of people like it because they see it as representing a set of common fantasy objects, same with a lot of music, it can be popular but not great in terms of quality. [/quote] Come on Nige, thats comes across a bit condescending. Art in any form is entirely subjective. Theres plenty of 'great art' which was produced by talentless graduates.

[quote name='thunderbird13' timestamp='1330016345' post='1551514'] This willl probably get lost in the "Silddx Onslaught" but it is an interesting point which has caused me much frustration - what is it a really good player can play something stupidly simple like 8th notes on the 5th fret but it sounds so much better than me playing exactly the same thing. I looked at technique ( which contributes t it ) but TBH my technique is quite othodox. Then it hit me someone like Steve ( who I've also had lessons with ) is playing from inside him , not in some mystical sense but its just more confident and self assured than someone like me. Just as in the same way as me speaking in front of a crowd is going to sound better if I sound conficent rather than speak in a thin wobbly voice [/quote] Those are exactly the attributes I was talking about in the other thread. Theres SO much you can do with a simple line to make it interesting and captivating. Even something as basic as playing behind the beat can dramatically improve simple lines. [quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1330016999' post='1551535'] The whole reason for having a solid theoretical knowledge is that it should be internalised so that you can just play without thinking about it,yet it is always there in your subconcious and helping to make life easier for you. [/quote] This.

I reckon the quickest was around 90 seconds. Guitar and lead into case, out the side door, car about a meter from the door, job done.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1329926331' post='1549876'] It's because for all the yap yap people spout on Basschat, most people can only really differentiate between simple bassists and complicated bassists. Much of the subtlety of the simple bassline, nuance, space, composition, etc is lost on most people. It is for most instruments. Music is about FEELING, not analysing core competencies of each band member in isolation. [/quote] I agree the second half Nige but I dont get what you mean by simple bassists and complicated bassists. Some of the most complex passages I can think of have turned out to be relatively simple ideas or phrases reworked into something that seems complicated once I broke them down. I sure this is the case for most. [quote name='RockfordStone' timestamp='1329927266' post='1549901'] i think people get caught up analysing a muso's quality by how flash they are. people will rave on about how great flea is based on the fact he can dance around the fretboard, but will not use for example hugh mcdonald who has held together bon jovis rhythm for the last few years. the bass is fundamentaly a rhythm instrument, and for me the sign of a good bassist is one who keeps tight with the drums and drives the song, and is able to use his instrument to add to the song from there. just because bassists such as taka hirose or alex james keep it simple, it doesn't make them any less good at what they do than jaco or geddy.... [/quote] That was one of my points over on the other thread. Theres plenty of names this applies to. Tom Hamilton, Pat Badger etc [quote name='risingson' timestamp='1329926726' post='1549889'] I have stated time and time again that if the music sounds good, then the bass player (or indeed any musician in the band) has done his or her job properly. The consistent moaning about Adam Clayton only playing 8th notes for example. I'm not the biggest U2 fan in the world and I never will be, but it doesn't take a genius to work out that they must be doing something right because their music sounds good, even to me if I'm completely honest. And to a lot of other people (millions of other people in fact), their music sounds [u]brilliant[/u]. Bottom line, if brilliant music is made with a bass player playing note perfect 16ths or very imperfect and out-of-time quarter notes, then the bass player has done his job correctly. People that try and argue otherwise are the types of people usually unable to look at the larger musical picture. [/quote] Sums it up nicely really.

Because people have different tastes and opinions maybe? For Eg. some think Burton was the Mutts Nuts while others think he was a sloppy player. Its just the opinion/views of others and whatever that opinion is it dosent make them right or wrong.

[quote name='hairyhaw' timestamp='1329919826' post='1549726'] JPJ - happily agree but he's had plenty bog-standard moments too. Rest I've never heard of so will need to go look 'em up over next few days. [/quote] Tis no biggie lad. Opinions (however different) are (supposedly) allowed.

Aye forgot about the series/parallel option with the Model P's. It is possible to install a mini toggle to do this AFAIR.

[quote name='hairyhaw' timestamp='1329918180' post='1549666'] On the face of it, I’m kind of glad I read my book and not yours. I’m not assuming anything at all, but it might help your case if you were to give a couple of examples that make up your particular frame of reference. [/quote] Sound, without going too far off topic. 5 bassists I'd class as remarkable:[list=1] [*]Nathan East [*]Mike Dean [*]John Paul Jones [*]Tye Zamora [*]Dee Murray [/list] Theres plenty more I could mention.

[quote name='hairyhaw' timestamp='1329916395' post='1549599'] Does that mean that all less than remarkable bassists are bog-standard then? I think there are a few more I would argue more that James is a thoughtful player and as a result this makes him a fine bassist. By contrast, a remarkable bassist is a rare beast and even remarkable bassists aren’t remarkable all the time. [/quote] In my book yes. But thats just about how you define bog standard and less than remarkable. Its not a slur at all. Do I find Clayton to be a poor bassist? Not at all. Bog standard yes but not poor. I think you may be assuming that I class him as a poor bassist and that IMO a remarkable bassist has to be flashy or whatever, which is not the case at all. The same applies to Mick Quinn who has popped up a few times since I mentioned him. What he does is fine, nothing wrong with it but its never made me sit up and think "wow, epic bass line". Just dont tell Protium I said that...........

As an aside, does anyone reckon the 'Award' has something to do with the planned reunion/tour/possible album thingy?

[quote name='hairyhaw' timestamp='1329913397' post='1549511'] I'm happy for you too stick Osman et al in the bog-standard box but I disagree about James. The lines he wrote for “She’s so High”, “Bang”, plus the intro motif for “There’s No Other Way” and “Tracey Jacks”; these are all very well thought out lines. Not Clayton style root note run-of-the-mill at all. James was playing bass well before Blur too, so that drifted-into-it-by-accident notion is cobblers too. [/quote] Aye fine examples. But, its not like they were commonplace on the majority of the tunes and despite being well thought out basslines they really aint remarkable. Shes so high is a great example. Well structured etc. However, everytime I hear it I just think Stone Roses, ie. classic Brit Pop.

Sound lad. I reckon they're Model P and Model J(L) both designs were introduced in the mid-late 70's. Each are [u]very[/u] ample in the low end department. I tried opening up one of the DiMarzio loaded basses to check exactly what pots were in there put the screwheads are shot. From what I can remember the volume on each was 500k. I've been told it makes a huge difference.

[quote name='thisnameistaken' timestamp='1329911449' post='1549454'] Basically it's that Blur are sh*t because Alex James will never be the new Victor Wooten. I can't imagine many teenage girls have had posters of Victor Wooten on their bedroom walls, so I doubt Alex James gives all that much of a sh*t really. [/quote] Thats what you got from the last 3 pages..............Jaysus I would have said people were bitching about a sh*tty performance by 3 guys who werent bothered.

What model pups and what pots are you using?

Fantastic pups. Nicely scooped with plenty of low end. DiMarzios have some serious kick in the output department. If you do choose them you wont be sorry. (I think they're available in the new solderless format thingy)

I couldnt live without my wah and M-80. TBH almost everything else on the board that wasnt used regularly was taken off. Still have 10 pedals on there.........................

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1329909878' post='1549385'] That's the pile marked 'Drifted into it by accident/No-one else wanted to play bass'. [/quote] NIce!