Conan

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1384686487' post='2279382']I am shocked that a 1x15 had more mid punch than a 2x12 with drivers that are on par, especially as the 2x12 is voiced more to punch through. The other thing that confuses me is the BF tend to promote that it's cab that gives you what you put in, so no mids is no mids, with no particular voicing of the cab changing that. [/quote] Well I suppose that if you come to a BF cab from a series of mid-scooped cabs (in my case, Trace Elliot, Ampeg and Ashdown in that order) then the flat response of the BF cab will sound mid-rich in comparison. As you say, the GB can does seem to have a bit of a mid hump - but to my ears in is in the low-mid area rather than the (more pleasing to my ears) "mid-mid" part of the sound spectrum. Does that make sense? I find it is getting lost amid the low toms on the drumkit. But again, I guess that will depend on the kit itself and how the individual drummer tunes it.... So many variables!

[quote name='jimbobothy' timestamp='1384683812' post='2279351']I guess I need time to EQ it all as I can't presume the same amp settings with work the same as with my cab. [/quote] Oh absolutely! The problem is that my amp (a Hartke LH500) is hardly noted for its ability to chuck out mids. My main bass is a Fender J and I prefer to have both pickups on full. Again, a bit of a mid-range desert! Add to that my use of a BDI21 and you start to see the problem that the new cab is up against! That said, under identical conditions, my Compact always sounded rich and full. Why can I never just be happy with what I have?? Damn you GAS!!

[quote name='jimbobothy' timestamp='1384538553' post='2277971'] Anyhow all things aside I'll try it out and if I don't like it for whatever reason it'll just be another item put on the BC roundabout . [/quote] Likewise. Played through it at last night's gig and really struggled to hear myself. Just couldn't seem to find a tone that was pleasing and audible. Never had that problem with my BF Vintage or Compact. The GB cab is also a heck of a lot heavier and much more awkward to move about. Shame, because I really like the look of it. It is a very solid looking and feeling cab, and a model that I had wanted to try for a long time. Now we have the awkward question of what it is worth if I decide to sell it!!? Is it fair to charge what the cabs are worth when everyone knows what you paid for them? Does the BC karma machine demand that you charge £379 so that the community can benefit from the GAK super-prices? Bit of a dilemma that one...

[quote name='DiscoTetak' timestamp='1384510267' post='2277455'] If someone is unhappy with their NX2 212T, I'll be happy to buy it from you! [/quote] PM me if this is a serious suggestion...

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1384509547' post='2277441'] How much are you guys dialing the tweeter in? [/quote] Completely off.

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1384441960' post='2276747'] Its a mexican themed party... I'll bring the tequila [/quote] You're not smiling any more.... where did that grin go??

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1384433927' post='2276603'] Conan - Is your amp the Fender style EQ, eg mids are flat when mids boosted to max? I'd lower the bass to 12, (or lower...it doesn't make much difference but saves you wattage!), keep the mids flat (or boost if possible) and keep the treble fairly flat or boosted as the tweeter has a fair amount of high freq information! [/quote] Yeah, the tonestack is supposed to be "flat" when set at bass 2, mids on full and treble on 2. So when i had bass on zero, I should have been getting a significant boost to the mids. But the cab was swallowing it up!

[quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1384433346' post='2276592'] I am still learning my GBE750 on very gig, as it takes a while to get to know an amp fully I think. [/quote] Yeah, I agree. It took me a while to get a tone I was happy with from the LH500/Compact combination. The tone stack arrangement is rather idiosyncratic and counter-intuitive. Back to square one I think!

[quote name='hamfist' timestamp='1384431987' post='2276565'] me neither. I'd say it actually has quite a full and present midrange. [/quote] I guess it depends on what you are comparing it to. The only thing that changed in my set-up was the cab - the new NX2-212T where previously there had been a BareFaced Compact. Same bass, same amp (with settings unaltered), same leads and effects, same fingers (maybe slightly more tired after a tough week...). But there were audibly less mids. And a bit of an unpleasant, boomy hump in the high-bass/low-mid part of the spectrum. In fact, I ended up with the bass control on my LH500 set at ZERO in an attempt to get more mids and defeat the boomy bass. It is normally set at around 2. Mids set at 10 and treble at 3. Bright switch engaged and tweeter on the cab turned off. As I said, that is not necessarily a [b][i]problem[/i][/b] with the cab - but it is definitely [b][i]different[/i][/b]! With a bit more time I should be able to overcome this but it has definitely changed the overall sound of the band, as a number of my band-mates pointed out last night. And not for the better.

[quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1384424519' post='2276464'] But my opinion is that if you have to go poking around in the the cab to actually see something which in fact is not a fault, then surely it is slightly excessive attention to details. I mean, the screws are over engineered I'd have thought. [/quote] True. And if it wasn't for someone else's comment on here yesterday I doubt I would ever have noticed the screws!!

[quote name='Mudpup' timestamp='1384424323' post='2276458'] If the QC stands up, its irrelevant where it was made. IMHO of course. [/quote] Again, agreed! As my main bass is a MIM J, I'm hardly likely to turn down a bargainaceous MIM cab, am I? I think people are getting very defensive here. In any other thread it is deemed acceptable to critically review a new purchase. I use the term "critically" here to mean attention to detail in a comparative way - not to simply criticise something (although a truly balanced review will usually include some negative points). [b][i]We[/i][/b] bought the cabs, with [b][i]our[/i][/b] money. I think we have the right to mention any little niggles!

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1384424208' post='2276456'] still a massive bargain in my opinion. [/quote] Yep -- agreed. But that doesn't remove our right to comment on what we see as minor irritations does it? Or have I missed something?

[quote name='Mudpup' timestamp='1384421978' post='2276413'] Not trying to be confrontational here - just a bit objective, £380 for an amazing cab, be happy :-) [/quote] I can see your point. Yes, we got it for £380, but it is an £800 cab. And at that price point (as people regularly say about BareFaced cabs) you have a right to expect a top quality fit and finish.

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1384417328' post='2276332'] If you bought something other than a Fender it was because that was the bass that suited you and there was therefore little need to modify it. [/quote] I think that is a massive over-simplification.

[quote name='GuyR' timestamp='1384383807' post='2276168'] If you customise your Fender bass by less than10% you don't need planning permission, but you will need a Building Regulations certificate, issued once it has been inspected by your local Council. This does not apply if you modify it in a conservation area, in which case you will need the permission of the Conservation Officer. Pre-CBS basses are usually listed Grade II, and protected by English Heritage, which means it is a criminal offence to modify them [/quote] Excellent!! And even more hilarious if you've ever had to deal with these kind of issues...

[quote name='Grangur' timestamp='1384363008' post='2275731'] folk buy a Fender whilst thinking as they pay over their money that they will change loads of things on it to try to get it to sound in some way different. If it's not what you want why not buy something that's nearer to what you want? [/quote] Because in some cases, that "ideal" bass might not exist, or might be impossible to source (due to availability, cost, etc). For example, Bobby Vega (to the best of my knowledge) has EMG pickups in all his (Fender) Jazzes. If he likes the way a Fender J plays, but prefers the sound of an EMG J set to the stock pickups, what's the issue? I think he is qualified to make such a judgement and entitled to act on it... Some people seem to go out of their way to look for things to worry about!

[quote name='jimbobothy' timestamp='1384390645' post='2276268'] The date of manufacture on mine is Nov'12, yup a year ago...tbh I don't think I would have bitten so quickly if I knew it would have been MIM! [/quote] Same here. So it is a year old. No big deal really. Had Fender bought GB a year ago? I just kind of assumed that GB gear was US made. Again, not a dealbreaker, but it would have been nice if they'd advertised that fact. The "screws-protruding" thing is just odd. OK, you have to actually [i][b]look[/b][/i] to see it (i.e. shine a torch into the port), but it's a simple lazy error of using screws that are twice as long as the plywood is thick! Why would they do that? Anyway, I used it at rehearsal last night. It is certainly a solidly constructed box! Not the easiest to man-handle up a twisty set of stairs! I thought I would like the top-mounted handles, but I actually don't. Makes it impossible to hug the cab to my chest when carrying it up and down stairs. Not sure what the advantages are meant to be? I guess it is a bit easier to move short distances on the flat, but then again the wheels make that operation a doddle. Maybe the handles are positioned there to make use of the wheels easier? Sound-wise? Well, there is no shortage of volume! But you would expact that. Tone-wise I found it rather scooped - especially after my Compact which has a beautiful, full midrange. To be fair, using a J bass with both pickups full-on makes it's job more difficult - as does using the BDI21 pedal - but the Compact managed to still have a full midrange under these conditions. I had a play about with my graphic pedal, which helped, but this will take a bit more research... I did find that I kind of disappeared in the mix last night Again, I think it is just something that I am going to have to play around with until I get the tone I like, but it is something that I hadn't anticipated. Just shows that impulse buys aren't always sound investments!! Overall I am pleased with it. At £379. If I had paid nearly £800 for a Mexican-made cab with QC issues (admittedly minor) I think I would have been somewhat disgruntled! But it is my first brand new cab since 1986, so that in itself was fun!

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1384358221' post='2275664'] ...because no one takes any notice of a bass player for a start [/quote] Who said that?

[quote name='6v6' timestamp='1384355327' post='2275618'] Huh? Didn't the OP say "[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]pair of 8 ohm cabs", in which case two in parallel is 4ohms?[/font][/color] [/quote] I'm not sure the OP was as clear as that...

[quote name='The Bass Doc' timestamp='1384350660' post='2275546'] How much do you pay as an entrance fee? [/quote] I don't pay anything mate - I'm in the band! If you mean audience members... it's free to get in! But we charge £2.50 to get out

[quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1384081208' post='2272462'] maybe a bit like this ? [media]http://youtu.be/AI2k6aseNqg[/media] [/quote] I've always thought that sounded a bit like Herbie Flowers' playing. Although he (obviously) plays a J, sometimes it sounds a bit 'Ray-like to my ears... [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMzxkQs5mog"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMzxkQs5mog[/url]

[quote name='Count Bassy' timestamp='1384276181' post='2274742'] What I found curious was that the perpetrator went on the roof and "Shot himself to death". It makes me wonder how many shots it took. [/quote] Well, being a drummer he probably..... er, no. I won't. Probably bad taste.

[quote name='AntLockyer' timestamp='1384352266' post='2275571'] "people don't realise that to play a bass properly is a lot more demanding than winging it on a guitar.. [/quote] True, but it is easier to wing it on bass than on guitar.