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I may upgrade to a Pedaltrain one day, but my Diago is fine at the moment. When I outgrow it, will the Pedaltrain Pro actually give me any more space? I know it has a smaller footprint, but I'd think I could save some space on it with leads and power supplies being underneath?

I may see if my guitarist will let me do that ^_^ Be a laugh at any rate. I've just been looking into crossovers though. I still don't fully understand everything about it, but it seems if I were to use an active crossover in my rack, I could send the highs to a distorted channel, and the lows to the clean channel and then each to a different cab, which would make a lot more sense to me. However, having two identical cabs wouldn't really make much sense for that, am I right? Just throwing more ideas out This whole thing really interests me!

[quote name='cheddatom' post='271030' date='Aug 27 2008, 02:35 PM']It sounds to me like total overkill.[/quote] Yes Messing about with crossovers is something I haven't thought about much as my mind isn't very technically inclined. I am curious though, but don't really know how to go about it.

Crikey, guess I'd better respond. No, I don't mean bi-amp in the most literal sense. More just a stereo setup to simulate a 'true' bi-amp rig. I just got the idea from the Timmy C/Chris Wolstenholme rigs. Also, I borrowed an Aguilar Agro recently, and it sounded fabby as a preamp, it just needed some more oomph underneath it with a bit more clarity. Train of thought brought me here. May turn out to be a dumb idea And some of the confusion that has sprung up for the rest of you has also entered my mind too! That's why I'm fielding this topic to everyone I'll try and expand a bit. I was planning on leaving the whole thing on all the time. Epic tone is epic, after all. However, if its a heavily driven Pre, it probably has a footswitch with it to turn the overdrive off. I can utilise that if I ever need it 100% clean I should think. Because yeah, sometimes the distortion won't be favourable. But I don't want to be fannying around with turning cabs on/off all the time if I can avoid it. Incidentally, its the Ampeg SVP I have at the moment coasterbass, and it doesn't drive enough to be my dirty channel. The reasoning for splitting after the effects was that I thought it might sound a bit odd when using some effects pedals to have the unprocessed sound coming through as well. For things like distortions and delays, it'd be fine, but for things like pitchshifting, there would always be the root note underneath. That wouldn't sound bad necessarily, but not the sound I'm looking for. I'm also thinking that the dirty channel would be the quieter one, so if I ran effects just through that, my effects might get lost a little bit. This has been the biggest headache for me. Like I said, if there were no effects, it would just be plug in, split signal, big tone. Easy ;p I want an aggressive tone. So yeah, I'm still just finding my feet with this idea, keep responses coming and I'll give it all a good think!

Not THAT much This rig will cost enough as it is - I'd need to buy at least one new pre, a new 1212L, and possibly replace my poweramp ;p That's after finishing my pedalboard o_O I do have very vague plans for a second Shuker 7 though. One day. Stereo outputs sounds just crazy enough that it might be an awesome idea! EDIT: I'm assuming this Lehle product is what I'd be looking at? [url="http://www.lehle.com/products/frameset_l1.php?country=gb&lang=en&L1_Link=P-Split"]http://www.lehle.com/products/frameset_l1....L1_Link=P-Split[/url]

Thanks for that! Makes me think it could be an idea with legs, for sure. I'll have a look into the Lehle stuff Don't think I'd have anything as complex as that to boost/mute the rig though, just a simple ABY should do me. I use a killswitch on my board if I need to silence everything, and I have a boost pedal on my board which would boost the whole signal, before it is split to each amp. I don't think it'd take me long to set up at a gig, if I plan it properly. Using a two channel poweramp removes the problem of having two heads, and I can keep the two pres connected to it all the time. If I can mount something like a power distributor in the rack too, and the ABY in the back somewhere, I should be able to keep it all tidy, and only need to plug in two speakon leads and an IEC lead. I do see that sending 2 signals to the desk may be a little troublesome, but I'd ideally want a DI signal for the clean, and a mic'd signal for the distorted. We only have one guitarist, so that'd only be as much trouble as a band with two guitars? I guess just get friendly with the soundguy, and try and assist him, rather than come across like a dick! EDIT: bnt, my bass just has one pickup, so I don't think that would be easy! o_O

Right, bit of background - just got a new job, and I'm already thinking of ways to spend the pay! Few months saving and I will be able to afford all this Basically, I'm currently running a pre/power setup into a Schroeder 1212L. Its supposed to be a compact rig, and in that regard it succeeds in its purpose! But I've always wanted to muck about with bi-amping for the clean/dirty thing, and it occurred to me today that my power amp can take two different signals and send each channel to a different cab using stereo operation. So I thought buying a second 1212L would be very possible, and I could then use two different preamps to get the bi-amp thing I'm looking at. Something for epic cleans (my current pre can probably do that), and something for a nice drive (I have a couple of ideas at this stage, but nothing solid). That would still give me a comparatively compact bi-amped rig (especially with the imminent arrival of a band van), with great control over the mix of the two using the channel volumes on the front of the poweramp. So far, so good I think. Anyone got any thoughts on that? Reasons why it wouldn't work? I like it very much as a concept! If that was all there was to worry about, I'd be sorted. However, I run a lot of effects into the front end of my amp. I'm just wondering what the best way to do this is with regards to the bi-amping. I don't want one channel to be completely clean and not be affected by my pedalboard, so the best place to split the signal is probably after the pedals, right? Anyone have any experience of this kind of stuff? Will it sound horrible running them all into the clean AND dirty channels? Also, what's the best device for splitting the signal? Ta ducks

Possibly, or I could be talking out of me arse. I'm pretty sure that the effects loop is buffered though, and in bypass mode it is actually a true bypass? I haven't really read up on it huge amounts!

Yeah, when googling, it seemed to come up as being stocked in Electro, but the page doesn't load, and they aren't listed on the Electro site. They probably just stopped stocking them. Its a weird one, but I'd probably ask them if I had the money to buy one from new. They seem to be awesome at getting obscure stuff in!

I used to have a VBA400 (its now Jobiebass'), and it was pretty epic. Far louder than I ever needed really! But I miss that big loud stack behind me... Its not a subtle amp Your VBA sounded pretty good the other week in Sheffield, man_at_arms84, but I didn't see both your Matamp cabs there Still one of the loudest things I've ever experienced in a venue like that though! Nice work

I considered it, but I like to have anything with a treadle at the front of the board, and putting something in front of it would get in the way of a Whammy footswitch. I'm clumsy, so I can't have really crowded boards

To be honest, this is part of a major pedal rethink, so I'm going through testing the order I like pedals in in much greater depth than I have before. All of the locations of these pedals are subject to change in the next few days I may re-assess the Whammy situation, as I only just decided I liked octave before distortion and not the other way round a couple of days ago, after months of having it the other way It really bugs me how the space I have behind the Whammy is basically unusable ¬_¬

Thankyou If I'd explained why everything was where it was, it'd make a bit more sense, but I haven't, so I'll explain that now! The whammy sounds better (IMO) after distortions. That's not to say one day I won't change my mind. I'm like that But I've never had a problem with the tracking, and to be honest I quite like the slight glitchiness of the whammy pedal. I don't use it for pleasant sounds

Powersoft amps seem quite difficult to get hold of over here. Sennheiser UK supposedly distribute them, but they are useless!

Just had the board out, so I took a shot. Its in somewhat of a limbo at the moment though, so its not finished at all. The carpet bottom of the Diago came off entirely, so I've given it a liberal coat of PVA on the bottom, and used about 20 wide headed roofing nails to make sure it (hopefully!) shouldn't come up again The box next to the tuner is an A/B selector - I don't use my wireless at practices, just gigs, but I don't like having to plug in and unplug the wireless all the time, so I just plug the wireless into the A/B selector at all times, and can switch between that and the other input (bass with a lead) with the footswitch. Not entirely necessary, but solves a minor problem for me The bottom right corner is going to undergo a minor revamp - the ODB-3 sucks horribly, so that's going to go in favour of a better dirt pedal when I find one I like. I'm also going to put the Hyperpak and OC-2 in a bypass loop, so I can turn them both on/off at once for a synthy sound. I may eventually incorporate a double looper with a bypass switch in to navigate the two dirty sounds and the clean sound more easily. And on the left hand side, I'm going to put all the delay pedals into a true bypass loop - sometimes when I'm making noises, the sounds can get a bit out of hand - be nice to be able to cut them all out at once! Also got a compressor to stick in there somewhere. Although it looks a bit empty at the moment, I'm going to be struggling for usable board space by the time I get everything on. Also need to George L the thing up properly once everything is in place, cable tie the leads together and straighten the pedals up - I'm a bit OCD - everything has to be straight and facing the right way D:

The thing that makes Orange cabs cool is the fact that they're Orange though...

That did cross my mind, but I think I'm just going to try and use it as an epic dirt channel. Because the Agro is epic. But I'm not sure how it'll sound, which is why I'm waiting on clips ;p

Read that the other day - convincing review, but until I hear it through my own amp with my own ears, I won't spend a penny on it! Aguilar wouldn't put a bad review on their site But yes, I concur!

Very interested in this too. If it can dirty up my tone anything like the AGRO did, I'll be in there like a shot.

I'm guessing if you don't need the options the LS-2 has, the VFB-jr is buffered and true bypass? And smaller board footprint.

Yeah, Morley do one, and the Barge Concepts VFB-X looks like it does the same thing, albeit with more pedalboard space.

The tonehammer does seem intriguing! But I'd really need to at least hear soundclips, and then go and try it. too. Not always easy. I shall keep my ear to the ground on it though!