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[quote name='cheddatom' post='82657' date='Nov 2 2007, 09:19 AM']If an engineer is thanking god because you've brought him a familiar instrument he knows how to work with, then I think there's something wrong with the way the engineer is looking at his job. He should be interested to hear new instruments and relish the challenge of getting them to sound great, not getting them to sound like a fender. I like precisions, I just don't buy into all this "definitive bass sound hype", if you know what I mean.[/quote] yeahman..you really have time to experiment with 'sounds' in a 15-20 mins changeover in front of 2k+ of pissed bikers at a 3 day rally...,and in a studio,time is money,full stop...ESP on demos for bands whos bills come by the hour. I dont work in Nashville (who have Alembic and Modulus settings) and in the past Ive made the mistake of bringing an uberactive 6 string superthing and wasteing alot of time getting it to 'sit' in the mix,considering the amount of work and professional output from the studio I was in and it being a name engineer,who at the end of the day 'knows' his board and equipment etc etc as I said before Time is money,but I dont want to take up as much it did to get it to sound right. Cheap or noisey eqs or just bad bass's or people that eq they're instrument to death THEN cancel out everything on their rig (duh) when the engineer can sculpt your instrument to suit the studio or the track with the clock tickking quickly.....I know what option I would take. I know what you are thinking ,its dumb as sh*t that Engineers/producers etc,cant just make ANYTHING sound great,man you can spend over a K.5 on a prestiege range Ibanez or Warwick or Spector,thats rammed with Bartolini or 18v EMGs,and thats great live..hell I LOVE EMGs,got them in one of my fretless's and they rip. But the fact is this,if it takes less time,and it works,and the guy getting the tracks down to tape can do his job quickly or quicker than the last guy,at a better standard,and you contribute to that...and the results are there to see,and the band are smiling and it JUST PLAIN WORKS Well,where do you see this going?

[quote name='martthebass' post='82494' date='Nov 1 2007, 08:28 PM']Isn't a Stingray just a 'super P' with a silly scratch plate [/quote] Isnt a G&L ASAT a Stingray with an extra Pickup,and weird body?

[quote name='metaltime' post='82456' date='Nov 1 2007, 07:04 PM']I dont really like p basses. i dont like the sound or the look at all i. dont no i just dont get it i guess[/quote] Rickys cause the same divide...I can understand,some lads were slagging me chronic for playing a P..for being "Thats old mannnnnnnn" (clutching their Ibanez Geetarr Jems) but hey,Im still playing a P every now and again,and they cant complain about the sound.

[quote name='GreeneKing' post='82405' date='Nov 1 2007, 05:43 PM']Or find a 2nd hand Lakland BG, a better substitute for the real thing Peter[/quote] Better still get a Sadowsky or a Mike Lull. But really,If it aint the real thing,kinda why?

[quote name='cheddatom' post='82212' date='Nov 1 2007, 12:41 PM']I consider myself to be a bit of a recording engineer, and my comment was made with my engineer's hat on.[/quote] Fine man,but Im just going on the comments Ive got and been given.......including "Oh thank god,a Fender..."

[quote name='andy67' post='82313' date='Nov 1 2007, 02:59 PM']any clips or vids link?[/quote] Sadly..nothing I know of exists,of saying decent 'clear' quality,of Rogers playing on film. [url="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cYLwCSWfQ_g"]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cYLwCSWfQ_g[/url] [url="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e3Ku18m9BKY"]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e3Ku18m9BKY[/url] You can try those,but his playing is unclear,as is ..well...him..Im still searching,but I can only find vids with Tony Choy (himself a VERY accomplished player)But Roger was METAL as METAL can be. This is I deny [url="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5ElZTB6AWV4"]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5ElZTB6AWV4[/url] I just wish I had footage to show you,theres some amazing pics of him in 'mid'bang onstage,ripped jeans and Warlock in hand,he was very Cliffesque with the slightly out of phase look,but just an awsome player!

Roger Patterson of Atheist Guy got killed by a drunk driver in about feb 91....one lp recorded and one written (Piece of time and Unquestionable presence) Genuinly one of the most versitile and tightest bassists within a genre that features too few bright stars (that beingDeath/Thrash metal). Easily more acomplished than say...Cliff Burton and tonally more upfront in the mix,but Cliff got 3 lps in before his passing,Patterson had only 1 and some demos. Cue up the intro to 'I deny' as the best example! great work.

[quote name='cheddatom' post='82204' date='Nov 1 2007, 12:33 PM']I really don't buy all this hype. I can get a good sound to cut through using a Fender, or a Yamaha, or a Schecter, or an Ibanez or...........[/quote] Same here onstage,but in the studio its a totally different arena. Ive tried Ibanez and warwicks...numerous stuff,but the Fender sound just...well it fits,they are bulky,heavy,and crude...but they work,and engineers smile when they come out of the case.

[quote name='BigRedX' post='81860' date='Oct 31 2007, 06:09 PM']Paul, I have mixed feelings about CT basses. There are aspects that are great such as the upper horn scroll/hook design, and there's no denying that these are quality sounding and playing basses, but sometimes I think the details let it down - for instance the over-thick wood binding on the fingerboard and the Wishbass-eque jack socket mounting. I believe that when you get to this level of build/cost in an instrument it's the attention to detail and overall aethetics that separates one luthier from another.[/quote] Go and pick one up,play it.....now put it down Now say sorry for even saying...NO THINKING such thoughts.

[quote name='SJA' post='82178' date='Nov 1 2007, 11:32 AM']one thing I've found is that if a producer/engineer manages to lose a p bass in the mix in a rock track, then it's proof they're utterly useless.[/quote] Thats why when I first EVER went into the studio,the guy looked at what I had and handed me an ash bodied 70s P. If you have a Fender the rest is easy! If a soundguy/or girl,cant get a half decent tone from a Leo designed bass,then they aint worth salt!

[quote name='Subthumper' post='81353' date='Oct 30 2007, 05:14 PM']Does no one have a favourite crap amp?At practice I'm currently using a very old peavey century amp head with an unknown 1x15 cab.Its a box of farts but if you get the controls just right it has a great "old" tone.Though I must agree I'd rather use my own gear,theres just not enough room to bring it in.[/quote] Rank old Peavey MK3s with half the eq knobs missing or bent...worn 100w combos with shot 15" speakers and tweeters that fizz...DISTORTOMATIC!!

[quote name='Cantdosleepy' post='80762' date='Oct 29 2007, 12:09 PM']Some lovely old P tone courtesy of QOTSA: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dy56iQd6Jg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dy56iQd6Jg[/url][/quote] That was a bit tasty....all warm and boxy

[quote name='chris_b' post='80732' date='Oct 29 2007, 11:21 AM']For all the people who agreed with a). No, Leo made a good bass, but didn't get it right first time because he quickly made significant changes to the first Precision. He came up with practically a new bass by changing the pickup, body shape and bridge. Fender, then CBS, have changed everything else several times over the years so don't think that point a) is anywhere near accurate. I think that since the 70's the Jazz has been recorded more than the Precision, so the Jazz is probably the sound of choice to most people these days.[/quote] Cant agree with that,because the 'studio' bands were kinda on the wane at that point,Actives were coming in,musical genres springing up everywhere,and alot more choice was around regarding just Bass's in general... Saying that given the 'Bands' thang at the time,most Bassists would and have used a Fender P at some time or another,if not maybe a J.

Ignore all the above... Get a SansAmp and a Metalzone..either that or a TurboRat. VERY VERY nasty...but the Metalzone was the Blackmetal pedal of choice in the 90s. And I welcome anyone that uses Tech21 products!!

[quote name='grosa' post='80303' date='Oct 28 2007, 04:16 AM']I got given an early 70's p as a gift from my uncle just after a decided i wanted an electric,as i started on a diddy upright at age 7. i didnt like p's then and i dont like them now. not trying to rattle anyones cage,i just dont like them.i always prefered the jazz.[/quote] I agree theres 2 camps...you cant get the mwah richness from a P like you can In a Jazz and Fretless P's are just not as nice as the J's equivilent..BUT If you want sheer aggro and UGHHH (scientific terms here) P's win hands down.

The only real beef I have with P's is they weigh a ton,and you have to modify them to get a better sound out of them...again personal taste,and yes they are ok..and JUST ok out of the box,and I would have one over a Jazz any day. The balance is shot,they have dead spots,classic problems (sharp notes,flat notes) and you have real difficulty getting strings that go through the body that are long enough.... Compared to anything else..little was as good at the time..Gibson EB1?? ..Rickys in the 60s.... Hofners? Even bigger hypothetical question would be that IF Leo came up with a Bass NOW (After his G&L ASAT..the best fretted 5 string Ive EVER played) would it be or have as much an impact in todays climate of overpriced custom made Instruments and cheap imported oriental tat?

[quote name='andy67' post='79939' date='Oct 26 2007, 08:18 PM']irony id dead long live sarcasm....? horses for courses mate, see it year in year out with my job....this year students appear to be falling for 450 watt berhinger bass heads and 4x10 cabs............[/quote] Yeah and 3 years back it was all musicman Subs...and PRS's for the guitarists,Eden rigs..or SWR... Its geographical,this.

Is irony dead...? Trends seem to come from whos playing what in the limelight..... I find Line6 gear to be greta for recording,but not for live work....Gimme Tech21 anyday!

Ampeg who?

[quote name='Boy Thunder' post='79315' date='Oct 25 2007, 11:59 AM']Hello gaf.... Yes Quad is the elite..... I do remember seeing you at my (gaff) once or twice...[/quote] Yes Quad are good,spacey too...I had a few meet up rehearsals there last year..2 of us from Yorkshire,1 from Berks,the other from west Sussex...middle point being Leicester. Buy a GOOD DI (Read SansAmp) it really helps with crappy Amp situs

[quote name='Lfalex v1.1' post='78653' date='Oct 24 2007, 08:41 AM']That [i]was[/i] the plan! Good stuff, though! Keep it coming...[/quote] My wisdom comes in a family size

Get a job...not a musical job..I mean a REAL job. Learn space.. Buy an Upright If your gonna move....make a BIG move If its encased in plastic it has NO place onstage,trust me IT WILL BREAK!!! Go Passive at weddings Love Neodymium...esp at nightmare load ins. DONT tickle it,its an object,I dont care how much it cost,play it properly. read NO really LEARN TO F%*KING READ.....like yesterday. 600w...in a pub...why? USE THE PA! A good DI beats a carsride of prayers Cheap cables=cheap musician Be the 1st call for your town on Jam nights (if you are asked to stay onstage the longest it means they like you or the resident guy has hip trouble) You cant get along with everyone,so dont bother..unless the pays outstanding or you need a lift home. Buy a 5 string,because you WILL need one Make friends with the Keys player,he will get you out of more sh*t than you can mention SMILE at the drummer,He is the 1,you are the note...... If you think you are brilliant,buy a fretless...see..that'll teach you you cocky little bugger. a record deal is A LOAN! with cashback possibly available if you make it big! You see those upper frets...yes you can use them too. Come 10:30pm..NO ONE IN THE VENUE CARES where the right note comes from. Say Thankyou.... ..and dont hog the light,If your good you could play in a burka in the pitch black and you would still be paid!

OK,Im convinced...... Glad it was peaceful,I hope Ted Parsons is ok...It must have been an almighty shock!

IS this for real? Because Its a VERY VERY Killing Joke thing to do! I had a right session on KJ last night,great Bassist..Live like Kings and Queens....

See.....now you know we are your Daddy!