stevie

I haven't been there for years, but I always thought they were a friendly and well informed bunch at CC Music. Sorry to hear they may have gone downhill. [but at least they're still in business, which is more than I can say for most of the shops I knew there]

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1386871227' post='2305787'] Yes but the cloth was attached to a very thin mdf framee, if i stuck it with velcro i was affraid i might break of fold it in two if i tried to remove it. There wasn't much space to fit a thicker frame and keep the cloth flush with the sides. [/quote] OK.

Yes, that looks better. Couldn't you have used Velcro rather than the screws?

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1386866325' post='2305688'] The handle on them wasn't the best option, even though it was recessed and offered the cab tilt option it would rattle at high volumes. The corners were made of cheap plastic (one of them came broken inside the box) The grill is made of some kind of mesh that usually is used on construction sites. The cab was covered with carpet, the thing all cats love. The feet... er... they don't have feet! So here's a point for EBS! [/quote] So what is it with you and feet? I had an EBS cab once, a 2 x 12". It was very well made out of best quality Finnish birch ply - the really good stuff. The only thing that let it down was that it needed a front-to-back brace running between the drivers and the back panel. Otherwise I couldn't fault it quality-wise. And I'm fussy. The plastic corners are fairly standard issue. They allow for stacking and function as feet. They work well but wouldn't be my first choice either. Neither would the carpet, but neither of those is an issue for most people and couldn't be described as poor quality - just a matter of choice. I found the grille really neat. It's actually fencing, which they've chrome plated. It's a really clever, cheap solution that looks good IMO. Pity about the rattling handle.

[quote name='TG Flatline' timestamp='1386863529' post='2305616'] But that value might not be made up of the same elements (component quality, brand prestige etc), so that definition is meaningless and the quote irrelevant. Shall we agree to disagree? [/quote] Yes, let's agree to disagree. I would be happier if I knew what we were disagreeing about, but still.....

[quote name='TG Flatline' timestamp='1386859237' post='2305490'] You said that being able to tell there was no penny-pinching was a good way to judge the value of a product. How do you penny-pinch when building a speaker cab in any way other than using lower value components? Product value is what the market will pay for it. It really is that simple. [/quote] I'm afraid it's not that simple. If it were, similar products with the same price would by definition offer the same value. As Oscar Wilde said, A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Not the same at all. As far as penny-pinching cab manufacturers are concerned, there are plenty of ways of cutting costs without the customer noticing, at least not until it's too late. Most, although not all, of the bass cabs that have been through my hands had been subjected to over-enthusiastic "value engineering". Lack of bracing, lack of internal damping, cheap, poorly specified drivers, inadequate R&D, incorrectly sized ports, rattling glue joints, - all from highly successful manufacturers I would add. I'm not sure where we're going with this though.....

You've lost me TG.

[quote name='TG Flatline' timestamp='1386855462' post='2305391'] The value of a product is what the consumer will pay for it, it has nothing to do with the summed value of the component parts. [/quote] I didn't say anything about the summed value of the component parts.

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1386844619' post='2305191'] Yup, best way to judge a cab. [/quote] I didn't say it was the best way, but it's one of the ways you can judge the value of a product (not just cabs) and how long it is likely to remain trouble-free.

To my knowledge, I've never criticised BF's designs. I think, BoB, you're getting me mixed up with Lawrence, who built some Jacks and was less than impressed. But I'm sure some people will be very happy with these new designs.

[quote name='andydye' timestamp='1386843178' post='2305156'] Indeedy mate, it's a pleasure every time I play through it! ...and a real shame that Dave's just not got the interest in them to warrant making another batch! They're unspeakably amazing! [/quote] I was impressed by how much effort he put into those. I never heard one but you could tell there was no penny-pinching going on and their external appearance was as good as anything on the market.

[quote name='ShergoldSnickers' timestamp='1386787380' post='2304581'] Why not set up your own company making cabs? You'd then get every chance to show us how it should be done. [/quote] You don't need to be a TV chef to complain that your steak's burnt. Anyway, EBS was speaking as a consumer and so is perfectly well qualified to express an opinion.

Just what it says.

By the same token, if you're selling something very specialist at the moment, don't start it off at 99p.

I got over £100 worth of loudspeaker drive units for two 99p bids this week. I bid higher, but nobody else bothered. Pre-Christmas is probably a good time for it. As long as you're not after an X-Box or an iPod, that is.

Nailsea is nearly in Scotland! You have to remember, it's all cross-country down here in ciderland.

Now that is harsh.....

That combo looks like it would benefit from a better quality driver than a Chinese Eminence. One of the first problems you have to contend with when upgrading drivers is that the better ones have cast chassis, which are larger than the cheaper pressed steel chassis which you probably have at the moment. There are plenty of pressed steel chassis that will do the trick, but if you're serious about fitting a top quality driver you have to be prepared to do a bit (not a lot) of woodwork. Then it's a matter of measuring up the interior of your cab, figuring out what will work, and deciding how much you'd like to spend. A pressed steel chassis will cost between £80 and £100, or up to about £200 for a cast chassis neodymium driver.

Crumbling foam doesn't work at all - and it makes a bloody mess of the inside of the cabinet. So, Alex, taking an easy pop at manufacturers who don't fit any (and who therefore don't charge for it) is hardly the right attitude.

This thread should be called The Barefaced BAF Bash.

Indeed. We had a great, inexpensive lunch beforehand.

I'll certainly try to make it again. I enjoyed the last bash.

I've been paying £50 every six months for the last ten years to have ours tuned. Worth remembering if you're buying a 'real' piano.