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[quote name='chris_b' post='1192720' date='Apr 8 2011, 11:20 AM']The view that Bergantino just uses "bits in a box" is one that can be disagreed with and also dismissed.[/quote] Care to elaborate?

[quote name='Bilbo' post='1191837' date='Apr 7 2011, 03:31 PM']I am always a little suspect of these kinds of endorsements. Wal never have endorsees, only people who buy the damn things. THe process has far more integrity that way. If Geddy has a Wal, its because he wanted a Wal and bought one. Speaks volumes.[/quote] It does indeed, and you're right to be sceptical. But Wal is a small manufacturer and probably happy to stay that way. Be that as it may, I've seen the way a good endorsee can send your sales through the roof.

[quote name='Musicman20' post='1192191' date='Apr 7 2011, 08:05 PM']Hey, I'm not actually complaining. I'm just discussing my opinion. This is allowed. Please dont dismiss other views just because you might not agree.[/quote] I'm not dismissing your view in the slightest - honest! I'm just making the case for using a high quality speaker system for bass. Whether you get such a system by spending a lot of money is, as you quite rightly point out, in the lap of the gods, because it's often difficult to know what you're getting for your money.

[quote name='Musicman20' post='1192124' date='Apr 7 2011, 06:53 PM']Possible, agreed, but insane. For what is effectively 4 high end speakers and a few other bits in a box![/quote] These high end drivers are built in relatively small quantities and benefit from the manufacturer's latest and best R&D. I have an Eminence 3012LF here, a very nice driver - certainly a lot better than the speakers fitted to most bass cabs. But when you put it next to the BMS driver I also have, you can see the difference in quality immediately. That quality comes at a price, unfortunately. I'd rather have a £200 bass and a £1,000 speaker cabinet than the other way round. Come to think of it, that's basically what I've got. There are a very few bass cab makers using high-end drivers: isn't Bergantino one?

[quote name='Musicman20' post='1192064' date='Apr 7 2011, 06:05 PM']Some neo cabs are just getting to silly prices, IMO. I can understand a quality cabinet, and the reasons behind high end amps, but at £1000+ for a 4x10, id rather put into an instrument.[/quote] Top quality drivers are expensive. If you want a really high-end 10", you will pay at least £100 each at retail prices. I can see how a price of £1,000 is possible.

[quote name='JTUK' post='1191732' date='Apr 7 2011, 02:01 PM']I can't be bothered with such an idiotic post.[/quote] It's difficult to argue with such an incisive and carefully crafted critique.

[quote name='Musicman20' post='1191673' date='Apr 7 2011, 01:12 PM']Speaking of Neo cabs, why the HUGE price difference between GK Neo cabinets and, for example, Mark Bass cabinets?![/quote] The difference is probably due to the quality and cost of the drivers they fit.

[quote name='JTUK' post='1191635' date='Apr 7 2011, 12:41 PM']As for the speaker industry..it will prompt alternatives and R&D, IMO.[/quote] Well, there's Fe16N2..... and you heard it first on Basschat.

[quote name='wateroftyne' post='1191552' date='Apr 7 2011, 11:26 AM']No.. he'd research and source alternatives.[/quote] Of course he would. [quote name='wateroftyne' post='1191552' date='Apr 7 2011, 11:26 AM']Back to reality, the sales levels of the cabs concerned don't warrant it.[/quote] That would make a lot more sense.

[quote name='Doddy' post='1191505' date='Apr 7 2011, 10:49 AM']Apparently, Bergantino was the only person that B&C made that particular horn for.[/quote] It sounds to me like he was the last one left using the non-neo bullet tweeter that used to be a standard B&C product. All their other customers will have moved over to the neo version or are using something else.

[quote name='wateroftyne' post='1191535' date='Apr 7 2011, 11:11 AM']...but it doesn't seem to be worth his while. Hence it's not 'ridiculous'.[/quote] What's ridiculous is the idea that he would scrap the products just because he can't get hold of the old tweeters. There's clearly more to it than that. What would he do if all of his products used that tweeter - scrap his whole product range?

[quote name='wateroftyne' post='1191508' date='Apr 7 2011, 10:51 AM']Shamelessly C&P'd from TB... I've emboldened the important bit.[/quote] If you read that statement carefully, you'll see that he doesn't disagree with me at all.

There is nothing unusual or different about the B&C tweeter that would give a speaker a special "sonic signature". It's a tweeter. B&C is still producing the DE35 anyway, although there are plenty of alternatives.

Because there are dozens of companies making tweeters. They're a commodity. Just source one from another manufacturer and nobody will know any different.

Much appreciated. I'm sure the facts will come out eventually, but that's very useful information - to be used with care, of course.

[quote name='sk8' post='1191368' date='Apr 7 2011, 07:58 AM']the HT/HS cabs were being scrapped due to the the tacf Jim can't get hold of the tweeters anymore[/quote] That's just ridiculous.

I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. Probably a chipboard cabinet fitted with a cheap-as-chips Chinese driver with a miniscule magnet. The ports are too small. Skytek is not a quality brand. It's made down to a price. My bet is that it will sound sh*t. There are some great second-hand bargains on Basschat , especially for 15s, which don't seem to be flavour of the month at the moment. My advice would be to look in the For Sale section and wait until something suitable, like a Trace 1153, comes along for the same money or less.

I've heard that Shell has cancelled petrol because the price of oil has gone up.

Pull yourself together man!

[quote name='Major-Minor' post='1188786' date='Apr 5 2011, 11:30 AM']Now I can understand entirely why, on a jazz gig, some people (like Bilbo) would baulk at the idea of playing Moondance. The melody is very repetitive, the harmonic structure is simple, and jazzers tend to feel that the original VM recording was made by a bunch of non jazzers having a go at something vaguely jazzy.[/quote] I think your latter comment hits the nail on the head. After all, you can't get a simpler harmonic structure than The Saints or A Tisket a Tasket.

[quote name='frank' post='1189878' date='Apr 5 2011, 11:01 PM']Thanks Major ill look forward to the boot camp looks like ill be be the only one though [/quote] No you won't!

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1189355' date='Apr 5 2011, 05:38 PM']I think XLR is better than jack, as it is secured, they sort of predate speakons for people that figured jack was a bad speaker connection method on high output equipment.[/quote] Agreed. XLRs were quite common as a speaker connection before the Speakon gained popularity. It handles more power than a jack. Because the holes are normally identical in size you can usually swap your XLRs for Speakons without too much trouble.

Millions do it, but I just don't get Twitter. It seems like loony tunes to me. If you write an interesting blog about the Messe I might pop in and take another look.