stevie

[quote name='Passinwind' timestamp='1459792495' post='3019701'] There's so much frustration among manufacturers due to the Commercial User policy over there. Even guys like Duke, who is one of the nicest people I have ever sat down to dinner with, ends up projecting that frustration eventually. I think Alex has been quite well measured in his responses, but nobody really wins in those situations. [/quote] The Commercial User policy looks eminently sensible to me, as it's designed to prevent commercial users spamming the forum. What seems to have happened is that it's not being applied fairly. Pity, and some of the good guys seem to be suffering.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1459796421' post='3019787'] That's funny, I must be among the least aggressive posters on this forum. But if someone tries a BF cab and for whatever reason doesn't like it that's fair enough of course - what annoys me is when they are arbitrarily slighted for no good reason by people who I strongly suspect have never actually used a BF cab in anger. I'm not keen on that - I don't think it's in the spirit of BassChat. But when I ask the direct question, 'Have you ever actually used a Barefaced cab?' it all goes quiet. I really think one needs to have played through a BF cab at least once in a real-world situation before criticising them. [/quote] Actually, Mr Discreet (sorry to be so formal), you come across as a really nice bloke (usually) but you're making a lot of assumptions. I comment on the content of a link that a fellow Basschatter posted and I get: "Have you ever tried a Barefaced cab? Have you done a gig with one? Are YOU a qualified 'speaker guy'?" What's that all about? Not to mention the classic "when did you stop beating your wife" question: "Why do you single out this company for criticism over any other cab manufacturer?" What?

[quote name='Fonkbass' timestamp='1459793781' post='3019729'] Stevie, would you consider the Beyma's a cheap Driver? or good quality at a low price? [/quote] It's a high quality driver - not cheap and cheerful.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1459782781' post='3019564'] I don't need the link, thanks very much. How is asking you if you're a qualified speaker guy a personal attack? [/quote] There was nothing in my post to justify a discussion of my qualifications or lack of them. It was a classic ad hominem manoeuvre.

You may not be looking for an argument, ern500, but there are plenty of others ready to pounce on anyone who says they are not keen. As we have already seen on this thread. There are plenty of things I like about Barefaced, and Alex comes across as a really nice and very capable guy. What I'm not so keen on, however, is the hype. There is also a small but very vocal faction on this forum who like to heap unquestioning praise on the Barefaced product (very often quoting from the web site) yet are unable to accept the slightest criticism without becoming extremely aggressive. Look at Discreet's aggressive post further up the page, or on page 2, where Paul S. accuses JT of undertaking a *jihad* on Barefaced. I'm not keen on that either, as I don't think it's in the spirit of Basschat.

I have a lot of sympathy for Marty's view, but as Fonkbass is building a 2 x 12, I doubt that Dave Green would object - especially as he allows for the option of a cheaper midrange driver. There will be some shortfall in performance, but the savings are huge. It would be a closer call with a 1 x 12". If the OP decides not to go down the Fearful route, (i.e. not fit a midrange driver), the Beyma would actually be the better choice, as the Kappalite 12LF is not really a bass/midrange driver.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1459779255' post='3019507'] The only US 'speaker guy' I have any time for is Bill Fitzmaurice, who tells it like it is. And I don't believe Alex makes [i]any [/i]exaggerated claims about his products. Have you ever tried a Barefaced cab? Have you done a gig with one? Are YOU a qualified 'speaker guy'? [/quote] Are you familiar with the expression "ad hominem", Mr Discreet? Here is a link for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

It starts here, but the meaty stuff is in the middle. https://www.talkbass.com/threads/smallest-2x12-cabinet.1183150/.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1459775479' post='3019444'] Good Lord, you certainly don't want to believe anything you read over there! [/quote] Interesting thread though, don't you think, where a few qualified speaker guys take Alex to task for making exaggerated claims about his products? Claims which, interestingly, you consistently repeat, Mr Discreet, at the drop of a hat.

http://forum.speakerplans.com/mega-of-london_topic68511.html

Probably. Simplexx is just a reflex box, but I don't think Bill publishes any basic specs - so it's impossible to say for sure. I'm sure they'll tell you on the website. Or you could let us have the internal dimensions and porting info from the plans. Or Bill will be along to advise.

If weight is a criterion, it doesn't make much sense to go for a cab with four drivers because it means you're carting around four magnets. This is one of the reasons why a lot of players have moved from 4 x 10" to 2 x 12".

Lol. I dare say they are not state-of-the-art, but they are bimetal. And for the number of holes we are likely to cut, you probably don't need anything better. I haven't tried my Aldi hole cutters yet, but they do look very well made.

My Aldi hole cutters have just arrived and they look really good. I'm not happy to be importing even more steel from China, but still...... Anyone who fancies a set will have to get down to their local Aldi (or order from the web site) as these offers only last for a week or so.

This reminds me why I don't open the door to the JWs any more.

[quote name='Gottastopbuyinggear' timestamp='1459517202' post='3017345'] There's a certain obsessive-compulsive part of me that appreciates a very neat and precise result, but there's another part that will hack out the hole for the speakon plate with a jigsaw because I can't be bothered to make a template for that! [/quote] There's a certain satisfaction to be had from using a circle jig to cut out a perfect hole with a router, but the only time I ever bother is when I want to recess the speaker. Otherwise, I take the easy way out and use the jigsaw. Nobody ever sees the hole anyway!

Looking good! From a structural point of view, you don't actually need the battens at the back of the cab but they make assembly easier. In fact, not having any battens there gives you more bracing options such as (semi-)circular braces, for example. Like this: [url="http://www.eighteensound.com/Portals/0/EnclosuresKits/18sound_12%202ways.pdf"]http://www.eighteens..._12%202ways.pdf[/url] Having battens at the front of the cab gives you the option of swapping the baffle out at some future time. If you fancy adding a tweeter or midrange unit later on, you'll be stuck if the front baffle is glued in.

Having struggled to cut some holes with the cheapo hole-cutting device I recommended some pages ago (I notice that Beer of the Bass had the same problem - OK for a shallow cut but hopeless for more than that), I have been looking around for some proper hole saws. Unfortunately, they are really expensive. As luck would have it, our friends at Aldi are currently selling a bimetal hole saw set for under a tenner. Not only that, but they are currently offering free delivery to launch their online services. As this kind of set normally retails at over £30 (check on the Screwfix site), it seems like a bit of a bargain - especially as it contains a 68mm saw that should be perfect for fitting drainpipe. Have a look here: https://www.aldi.co.uk/hole-saw-set/p/093008008220200

The Kappalite is quite well priced compared with the competition. So if you want something cheaper you will have to forget about having a neo magnet. The Beyma SM212 (which may or may not be the subject of a group buy on here) would probably be a good choice as a low cost alternative to the Kappalite 12F. The weight penalty is not huge - 2kg or so - and it has a comparable low end performance. It has slightly lower power handling, however. On the plus side, it has an extended high frequency response, unlike the Eminence, which means it would work well as a 2 x12" without the midrange driver. So you could build in stages and add the midrange driver later when time or funds allow. Edit: actually the weight penalty is only about 1kg per driver, not a huge difference.

[quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1459110188' post='3013641'] I'll see your out of control saxophonist and raise you an out of control Harmonica player [/quote] If yours does that godammawful train whistle lick every time there's a two-second break, I know what you mean.

I agree. It would help if they published some frequency response diagrams showing what was going on. Otherwise, it's all hot air. What's "vintage-voiced" suppose to mean exactly?

Well that's a clear explanation, Lozz, although I admit I'm more confused than before. I don't want any distortion at all (call it grit if you like). I leave that to the guitars. I also find that I need to boost the treble to about 3 o'clock to cut through, even though my speaker has a midrange driver in it. So I don't really want any less treble. Anyway, thanks for the pointers. I'll have a fiddle at the gig on Saturday.

[quote name='iamtheelvy' timestamp='1458826434' post='3011282'] I play in a variety of bands, but in even in the mellower group I have gain and drive both up at around 2 o'clock... [/quote] Looks like I am missing something then. I'll give it another go next time it's set up.

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1457143547' post='2995842'] Agree, you have to do a fair bit of work with it to get the sound you want, especially with the Gain and Drive as they are very interactive with each other. But as said, once you hit that sweet spot........ [/quote] I thought the Drive knob was a distortion knob and I keep it off all the time. Am I missing something?

I seem to remember Mesa using the Eminence Delta in their 15" cabinets in recent years. So £380 is a bit rich! This Faital Pro 15 will do the trick and save you a bit of weight as well. It's currently on a special low price: <http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Faital-Pro-15PR400-15-Speaker-Driver-400W-8-Ohm-DISPLAY-STOCK-/201542928090?hash=item2eece506da:g:-QUAAOSwwpdW6Wli>