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[quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1459768325' post='3019307'] Should get plenty of replies! [/quote] Especially from me - I'm Spartacus!

[quote name='KevB' timestamp='1459767294' post='3019292'] ...it took a few texts and phone conversations with one possible lead to find out that after 9 months they had got as far as doing 2 open mics and learned 6-8 songs (but were also writing their own). They didn't feel they would be 'gig ready' for at least another 12-18 months! [/quote] I assume you didn't join that band, then..?

[quote name='Number6' timestamp='1459767423' post='3019295'] I'm knackered after a 3 hour rehearsal. Knees, back, neck and shoulders. [/quote] We do four-hour rehearsals and our gigs are usually two one-hour sets with a 20-minute break. This is do-able. But I think four one-hour sets (or variations thereof) would just about kill me. And as said, I don't think an audience would tolerate us for that long. There's also the question of material. We have a roster of around 70 songs we choose from, if our gigs were twice as long we'd need a roster of 140 songs to achieve the same level of variation and interest. That's a considerable extra investment in writing, arranging, learning and rehearsing that would put our current method of working under extreme pressure.

[quote name='ern500evo' timestamp='1459761292' post='3019192'] What is it about the look that people seem to dislike so much about the BF's? I'm genuinely interested. For me, once it's on stage, crammed into a backline, under stage lighting, it looks pretty much like any other black box... [/quote] Quite, but once someone has decided to take a dislike to something (for whatever arcane reason) they will say anything negative they can think of. After all, if you've never used a Barefaced cab in anger (and I'm pretty sure that most of the detractors have not) what else is there to say? The other reason could be that people genuinely just don't like the look of them and won't buy one because of that. But there are more than a few on this forum who listen with their eyes and won't consider one of the best bass cabs currently available because 'they don't look right'. Having said that, I'd be reluctant to play a bass I didn't like the look of even if it were perfect in every other way, so maybe there's something in it. But then a bass cab isn't a bass - as you say it's a black, rectangular box! What's not to like??

[quote name='Musashimonkey' timestamp='1459746855' post='3019101'] 'Musically Unfufilled"... What a name for a band! [/quote] There's an outfit doing the rounds called 'Commercial Suicide'... [quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1459725868' post='3019066'] Let's form a supergroup of people who have started a band from nothing and miraculously managed to get gigs called The Exceptions [/quote] That's actually pretty good - if it hasn't been done already. I can't be bothered to Google it.

[quote name='zbd1960' timestamp='1459719453' post='3019009'] blind non-comprehension [/quote] Don't worry, we get a lot of that on here. Welcome to the forum.

[quote name='Woodinblack' timestamp='1459723704' post='3019055'] I don't see it as unreasonable. Groups of people who actually just want to play music, but don't want all the hassle that goes with dealing with the public. I am sure we have all done gigs when we would have preferred to be at home! [/quote] That is true of course, and I don't think it's unreasonable at all - I'm just surprised to find out after all this time that it goes on so extensively. It's perfectly fine, whatever floats one's boat. But I have in the past joined a band fully under the impression that they wanted to do gigs and they did not - in fact, they lied to me about their intentions and wasted my time, just to get a bass player - and THAT is [i]definitely [/i]unreasonable, to say the least.

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1459723067' post='3019046'] I play with myself every night in my bedroom. [/quote] That would explain why you can't see the fretboard properly.

[quote name='Musashimonkey' timestamp='1459722650' post='3019038'] It's a wonderful time to be a bass player! [/quote] It really is!

[quote name='Woodinblack' timestamp='1459722590' post='3019037'] Kate bush said she never wanted to perform on stage, and she didn't for most of her career. Mike Oldfield didn't want to do it, he wanted to stay in the studio. Lots of artists don't want to go on stage due to stage fright. Eddie van halen had to drink loads to get on stage (which didn't do much good), Ozzie says he hates it. People are different, and because you like something doesn't mean it is the same for all people. [/quote] Those are individuals, and I completely understand it. But entire bands made up of people who don't want to gig? I don't disagree with it in principle, it's just that it has never occurred to me that there may be hundreds of bands out there in rehearsal rooms all over the country who will never play in public. We could be missing something huge!!

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1459722143' post='3019033'] Fela Kuti is dead. [/quote] Yes, since 1997. I was trying to be a bit more subtle about it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fela_Kuti

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1459707215' post='3018816'] Composers, arrangers, producers, and probably several others, might well play a musical instrument and not want to perform in front of people. This will not be the case for all of those but there really is no reason why it shouldn't be so sometimes. [/quote] True, but the players I don't understand are the ones who are not composers, arrangers, producers, etc. or music biz pros of any sort, but your common-or-garden bass players who like to play their instruments, learn how to play them, improve, get good, learn songs, get GAS, buy gear, find like-minded people, rehearse on a regular basis, get a set together, and then - that's it, no gigging? Why go to all that expense, time, trouble and effort and then not gig? Are there really bands that deliberately just rehearse and are quite happy never to gig? This isn't a put-down by the way, I'm genuinely interested!

[quote name='sunburstjazz1967' timestamp='1459710841' post='3018873'] Or the terrible look of them? Lol. [/quote] Don't you start, I'm up to my 'Ignore' limit already! It makes threads like this very cryptic, I can tell you.

Cool, that's just the kind of holiday I need. Maybe next summer...

[quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1459707066' post='3018812'] Well, you could complain if you really made an effort. [/quote] I will, I will... I just need a little rest...

[quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1459706631' post='3018798'] I probably have a very restricted outlook on life, as I cannot begin to understand why anyone wants to play an instrument and not perform in front of people. [/quote] I don't understand it either, but obviously it's up to the individual! What gets right on my tits is when you join a band, spend time rehearsing and realise that they never had any intention whatsoever to do any gigs - but deliberately withheld this information, just to acquire the services of a bass player. This has happened to me twice now - when I joined my current band I made it clear what I wanted to do and what would happen if there were no gigs in the offing. So of course now I'm doing more gigs than I can handle. But I can't really complain, can I??

6.6kg (14.5lb)..!

Would it keep up with a shed-building drummer..?

[quote name='AustinArto' timestamp='1459703824' post='3018761'] ...here I am making music with a small bunch of people who don't want to gig. I don't want to gig either. [/quote] I don't understand why you or your small bunch of people don't want to gig, but I will defend your right not to gig with my life!!

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1459681040' post='3018545'] ...many people who have an opposite opinion about BF don't bother. [/quote] I don't think there are that 'many' people who have an opposite opinion. And those few that do inevitably haven't used a Barefaced cab in anger and have some kind of weird anti-Barefaced agenda that remains a mystery to me. Is it jealousy? Well done for bothering, though. [quote name='Chienmortbb' timestamp='1459686593' post='3018602'] The main thing about Barefaced is that they put their money where their mouth is with their sale or return policy. [/quote] They also do the maths, build superbly-braced and damped lightweight cabs and install drivers that have been designed by themselves and manufactured by Eminence which consistently out-perform the competition.

Good Lord... I wish you hadn't divulged this information. It's even worth the schlep up north. Thinkofyourherniathinkofyourherniathinkofyourherniathinkofyourherniathinkofyourhernia... keep repeating and move slowly away from the thread. I'm sure a nice Barefaced cab would be better for me, honestly!! A bargain for a Scot with a Scrotum of Steel!

[quote name='jeigenbass' timestamp='1459633098' post='3018300'] Thanks for the replies! It seems BF is the crowd favourite. Might go for the Supertwin / 2 Super compacts and throw the Rumble 4x10 under it for the bigger stuff. [/quote] Super Twin is an excellent cab. Two Super Compacts are nearly always unnecessary and you'll more likely only need one. You have to stop thinking in terms of a 4X10 - they are to all intents and purposes, redundant. I can't think of any live situation where (with an appropriate amp) you'd ever need any more than a single Super Twin. Welcome to the forum.

[quote name='Number6' timestamp='1459637975' post='3018352'] ...we seem to do okay for gigs in and around Londinium. [/quote] Not surprised... Hawkwind aren't niche or obscure, IMHO.

Nice. Shades of Fela Kuti or King Sunny.