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While trying to avoid the 'smiley face' curve, I'm finding the 500Hz area quite troublesome when using a Jazz with rounds. I like favouring mids to punch through a mix, but it just seems too 'buzzy' and in your face. Had a similar issue with an Ashdown ABM 600, so I'm sure it's not just a Trace thing.
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I see you favour the 'spine shape' graphic curve... much experimentation sees me moving towards a similar shape on my Trace combo...
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My recent Trace Elliot experience leads me to suspect that the only way you'll get an amp with 'the Trace Elliot sound' is by using a Trace Elliot amp. No combination of amp or cab or combo I've ever used has sounded like a Trace. Er... apart from my Trace, obviously.
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Thanks very much, but my 8x10 days are definitely over, barring some miracle situation where I don't have to haul one...
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Thanks very much for that long list of options! Trace were certainly a very busy company...
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I'll remind you of that when I bring you some grapes in hospital.
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I've just had a little session with both cabs - I had already imagined that the combo and Jack would sound amazing together. However... the BFM on its own sounds better than the internal speaker in the combo - no surprises there, it's a more sophisticated, better-designed and bigger box with an Eminence Kappalite 3012HO in it. But when I connected both cabs up, the results were a bit disappointing. The ensemble sounded just like the combo speaker, only much louder. I did use a long lead and stand as far away as possible, but it would seem there is no advantage to be had from using the Jack apart from volume. And that isn't a problem with the combo on its own anyway. I don't know if this means the cabs or drivers are mismatched, or what. But together they don't sound as good as I was hoping. When I rocked two Identical Jacks with a 100W all-valve Burman amp, the results were mindblowing. But being positive, it means I don't have to haul the Jack as well as the combo, which is something of a relief to be honest. It's only 18kg, but it's an awkward shape with a top handle and it's never been easy to move around. Also the Jack and combo together look a bit Heath-Robinson and my OCD doesn't like that! Logically I could get a trace AH200 amp head and use it with the Jack for a better 'tone' overall, but then I'd have a superfluous combo knocking around and I'd only save around 6kg weight in total - despite the combo being that much heavier it's easier to move around as it's got side handles, it's narrower and it's on wheels... next logical step is to try a matching Trace cab, I suppose. But it would have to be a 1X15" Celestion in a tolex-covered cab that matches the width and depth of the combo... anyone know which one that is?
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Those are the current mrs discreet's 5kg weights... mine are 10kg each. And yes, all were purchased well before buying this Trace. Thanks for this - there is some kind of rubber mat stuck to the top of the combo, I'll have to get the hair dryer out and get it off, hopefully without making too much mess. Then the mysteries within will be exposed.
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Thanks for this... not sure quite how to access the amp head, can't see any screws... Here's the combo atop my BFM Jack 12. I tried putting the Jack on top of the combo at first, but it's just too precariously top-heavy. This is a safer way round, though it looks a bit weird. Luckily all four castors have brakes. I'm just waiting for the family to clear off out of it, then I'll fire it up.
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Wow. I'm going to keep an eye out for that... I had a 100W all-valve Burman amp and it was very loud indeed. Imagine how loud the combination of Trace watts and valve watts must be!
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Could well be something in that! Or possibly they made 400W amps and said they were 200W...
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Aaah... Ill check out my BFM as an extension cab tomorrow. It's going to have to sound pretty bloody good to warrant the extra faff, though.
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Given their mass, you'd probably be sucked into a black hole before you could plug in.
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This is good, keep 'em coming - hauling a Trace combo is going to seem a piece of cake by comparison.
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+1. What a good job BC-ers have spent years learning everything there is to know about lightweight cabs!
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In the mid-90s (pre-hernia!) I did a gig upstairs at The Garage with an Ampeg SVT-CL and 8x10 - both in flight cases. I did have some help, but definitely wouldn't attempt it today that's for sure.
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Thanks Mick. I'll have to give you a 'like' tomorrow, apparently I've run out... Not too worried about the weight... yet. Depends on what sort of gigs I'll be doing and what access is like. And whether I get to do any gigs at all, in fact. Nothing is definite.
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Tomorrow I'll try the BFM cab with the amp head and also as an extension cab.
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That's interesting as there is an Eminence 3012HO in my BFM Jack 12. I'll try it tomorrow when everyone's out of the house - too much TV watching going on to make a racket this evening. If the combo proves too heavy, a 200W Trace head with my BFM may be the answer.
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No it's all good, thanks. By 'lesser spotted' I presume you mean 'spotted less', i.e. rarer - and not 'smaller or fewer spots' as in 'lesser spotted woodpecker'?
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Thanks for that. I'm also confused about who designed what... Mr C Button claims most Trace and most Ashdown, according to his website. Even though they're different animals. http://www.clivebutton.com/products.htm
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I know Ashdowns can stand a lot of signal on the input stage, but is there any advantage in a high input level on a Trace? Is it better to whack up the master and control the volume level with the input, or vice-versa,? Or neither?
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Thanks... so as a Series 6 it's pre- SMC, SMX, etc? Not sure what the production run was like, but when I search for 'trace elliot combo' I dont see the exact model I have... could be my lack of search skilz, however.
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I may consider one for the sound rather than volume, but it's quite a 'hauling commitment'. More experimentation needed.
