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Does your band use a sub-woofer as part of your PA?
EBS_freak replied to Al Krow's topic in General Discussion
You'll hear the bass - but to actually feel a thump in your chest you need to shift a lot of air. You'll hear it... but if you are thinking of reproducing the sort of sub lows when you go to an arena gig... you need a lot of subs. Dont worry, your subs will give a lot more body and lows to the band sound... you've done a good thing! -
Does your band use a sub-woofer as part of your PA?
EBS_freak replied to Al Krow's topic in General Discussion
That sub is not going to make you feel any bass. You may want to look at a backbeat or a woojer if that is what you are looking for. -
Does your band use a sub-woofer as part of your PA?
EBS_freak replied to Al Krow's topic in General Discussion
The sub will be too low for your backline. Theres not much in terms of note definition coming out of your sub. -
Does your band use a sub-woofer as part of your PA?
EBS_freak replied to Al Krow's topic in General Discussion
Nooooooooo! Just joking. -
Some more info here - https://line6.com/support/topic/33145-whats-going-on-with-g70g75-in-europe/
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Does your band use a sub-woofer as part of your PA?
EBS_freak replied to Al Krow's topic in General Discussion
I think it always takes one person in the band to be the research monkey I guess. I think I have always been that guy... whether it's mixing, IEMs, PA, video, lighting, photography etc. I guess I'm the studious type that spends hours and hours and hours researching... because nobody else in the band is going to... 😛 -
What a cool alternative setup! Simple, yet very cool.
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Does your band use a sub-woofer as part of your PA?
EBS_freak replied to Al Krow's topic in General Discussion
Indeed - the people who tend to poo poo subs fall into three categories. 1. People who have never tried them 2. People who have bought sub/s that are too small compared to the rest of their setup (they expect miracles from a budget 10" sub) 3. People who have bought ridiculously big subs without taking into account the effort and transport required to shift them For me, it's a bit like monitors. People always skimp on monitors... and then wonder why you can't put bass through them. Get your setup right... let your PA do what it's meant to do... and buy the right gear for the job. A PA can outgun a bass rig, keyboard amp... everything... and it will sound much better out front. -
Ha ha. Yeah, without biting too much, there's always a bit of a snakeoil claim on this. Is the pseudo physics actually real... or even perceivable? By the way, I have a set of 64s... and I would always advocate that ambience ports are bad news, especially when you are somebody craving bass. However... I have the M20 modules in there for the greater isolation as I perceive it to be less fatiguing than when I put the solid (orange) blocks in. Whether this is actually true or just me trying to convince myself that there is a difference, is open for debate. When the band is playing, the real world difference between the solid block and M20 is negligable... so I just sticked with the M20 in case it is actually doing anything like reducing fatigue or pressure. The other consideration is, is that I run A12ts... so even if there is a loss of bass due to the Apex modules, then it's not as if there would ever be a lack of bass... because they are absolute bass monsters with so much bass on tap it's ridiculous...
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That's the can of worms opened.
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I think that ship has sailed now... especially if he's spent up on those Shures. The Shures will sound better for listening to music.... but for live use, headroom is king.
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Does your band use a sub-woofer as part of your PA?
EBS_freak replied to Al Krow's topic in General Discussion
OK, there's twos ways of looking at this. Can your PA produce a fairly flat output? Yes? OK. Does it do it with low levels of distortion? Err.... Ever wonder why some PAs can be loud (I know thats an awful term to use without any measurement) without killing your ears and getting your ears all really fatigued? That's most likely because they are reproducing the frequencies, at volume, with less distortion than other setups that do kill your ears... ...yet if you were to meter them, both setups are reproducing the whole frequency range. -
Does your band use a sub-woofer as part of your PA?
EBS_freak replied to Al Krow's topic in General Discussion
And a 3db boost for free. -
Does your band use a sub-woofer as part of your PA?
EBS_freak replied to Al Krow's topic in General Discussion
No - not at all. There's very little sub 50hz that is useful in a band context. If you end up pumping out those kinda sub sub lows, its going to make your band sound pretty muddy. Chest thump exists between 50 and 65hz. But in order to feel chest thump, you need to move a great deal of air... Remember these are 12s - so its going to be more what you can hear rather what you can feel. Also, its worth remembering that when you feel big bass at gigs, there's usually some sine wave trickery going on, especially with kick drums where the majority of the discernible audible content is being in the 1st and 2nd harmonic range. With subs, what you are buying, is a speaker and amp that is geared for reproducing bass. Obviously. However - if you get a top and try and load a load of bass through it, you'll soon be eating into the headroom of that amp and cab and it'll start to suffer. The sub takes a sub section of frequencies that are very difficult to amplify well - and focuses on reproducing those frequencies and those frequencies alone. By removing the need to amplify those hard punishing frequencies from your tops, your PA setup gains more headroom and should sound better for it. So yes, low end cut... but you'd be amazed how many people can't even get that right. -
Does your band use a sub-woofer as part of your PA?
EBS_freak replied to Al Krow's topic in General Discussion
Primarily, as a minimum, something to implement a HPF at around 50Hz+ and compression/limiting. -
Does your band use a sub-woofer as part of your PA?
EBS_freak replied to Al Krow's topic in General Discussion
They are good if you got a lot of processing to keep the low end in check. If you are thinking about shoving a kick through then and thinking it’ll be fine just straight through the desks without processing, they’ll fart out. edit - used to play with a band now and again who had a pair of them as it’s all the band leader could fit in the car. For the whole they were good - as I say, with processing. -
I'd be quite surprised if the MB3 could cop much of what the MB2 can... the EBS sound is pretty much baked in. I know their direction has changed from RnB to more Rock and Metal... but the essence of EBS seems to be in all their amp still... (although I did see they put the better sounding* HD350 preamp in the limited edition version of it's replacement). * yes, tone is subjective, others may disagree with me. DISCLAIMER: I have not tried the MB3 yet.. but loved the MB2.
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http://www.gbguitars.co.uk/mp3/gbguitars_bass_talk.mp3 http://www.gbguitars.co.uk/mp3/gbguitars_quite_firm.mp3 http://www.gbguitars.co.uk/mp3/gbguitars_im_further.mp3 http://www.gbguitars.co.uk/mp3/gbguitars_wooten_medley.mp3 http://www.gbguitars.co.uk/mp3/gbguitars_teen_town.mp3 http://www.gbguitars.co.uk/mp3/gbguitars_mr_pink.mp3 http://www.gbguitars.co.uk/mp3/gbguitars_country_music.mp3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcSYVEqVyVc https://youtu.be/5buqY3hch7U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um--AdrSfBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWB1lc-6yG4 For the metronome - you literally press the button and a kick drum sound comes out of it, the two buttons speed up and slow down. Both buttons turn off. G spot is pitch of a bass sounding note going through G D A E B with each click of the button before clicking again and it turns off. The battery light indicator is literally a flashing light.... that pulses every few seconds. When the batteries are running out, it pulses very quickly.
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I know this bass well - it's an earlyish Spitfire but has got the full on Rumour circuit and Neil had the G spot and Metronome added to ensure that the bass had all the latest tech. I also believe that he had the sound to light chip reflashed so that it had the latest sound to light algorithm and the latest patterns. I seem to recall that I may have even taken it to and from Brighton for him to have all the electronics updated to latest spec. It was also at this time that the original knurled Schaller knobs were replaced with the gold O rings. Dont quote me on this - but I seem to recall it having a gold round string retainer - if you look under the Hipshot retainer, there may be remains of the screw hole of the original string retainer. This is also a 34" scale Spitfire 5, which is a little unusual as the common scale length for a Spitfire 5 is 35". Pretty rare in that it also has a painted fretboard... the only other GBs with painted fretboard being mine and a very early GB Standard with the Spitfire circuitry as opposed to the Rumour circuit which is in this example. Also with regard to "early" Spitfires, they started in the late 90s... and had a short spell of being called a GB Standard, to avoid upsetting our German friends when a certain Mark King was sporting his pair of GB Spitfires Standards. Oh... and it's older than 2008 - my oldest Spitfire is 2007... (and that has the Spitfire decal on the neck) and this bass predates mine by at least a couple of years... I would guestimate it to be more like 2004. Having said that, it's not a good indicator as I know that some Spitfires and Rumours go out with and without the model designation decals. But in this case, I know for 100% it's older than mine!
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@intime-nick is probably a good person to speak to re:LD as I haven't really had that long time on them to A/B. Nick went from LD to Sennheiser and believe he A/Bed them in detail. I've never done the side by side test - but do much prefer the audio reproduction from the Sennheiser. Remember wireless is as much about the RF performance as well as the audio. Hopefully Nick will give you a clearer insight. As a trend, I would say the cheaper wireless systems that I have tried don't have the the RF performance and audio reproduction that I wish for (e.g. drop outs, fuzzies and in terms of audio, the bass and treble reproduction is not where I want it to be (particularly in the treble where it can be harsh on the ears).
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You've even let prog pass...
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Kemper running channel strip profiles - typically SSL,, Neve, Focusrite and Chandler. I seem to much prefer the desk strips to "bass specific" pres... and that is where I would be looking if I were to ever move from the Kemper. Staying in the digital world, I also love the little HX Stomp. Very versatile and in a small box with a few added toys. What's not to like?
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If you can push your budget a little, a set of UE6 customs will change your world. http://www.custom-inearmonitors.co.uk/iems/ultimate-ears-ue-6-pro-custom-in-ear-monitors.html Also - the UM10 is a single BA not a triple. Are you sure you tried a triple driver? That UM10 will be pretty much useless for live use. Not enough lows and certainly nowhere near enough headroom. You’ll be going into distortion with the very mention of bass.
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Crumbs. In a test side by side, these make the Trustfire performance look pants. They just keep going... and going... and going. I reckon these are a must for anybody with a LED fretlight fetish. edit - metered at 8.4v
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Truly a convert eh Frank?