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@Gunsfreddy2003- so you remember me saying I was working on something...?

Yeah, OK... Nick's come out the woodwork. So now that the secret is out... this is what we've been working on... Plenty of hours gone into this one! Features : Handling : under 200w OK… so I know this power handling is going to raise a few eyebrows when compared to other boards. A lot of bass transducer boards are a lot higher power than this… however, after much testing of transducers, it’s the sensitivity and the way that the nuances of the frequencies are transported through the board to your feet which is key. So yeah, some of the other bass boards have way higher handling power… but a lot of that is just lost in heating the coils of the transducers and delivering big thuds, which may all be very entertaining at a theme park - but aren’t necessarily the best for a more balanced hifi response. Reproducing the detail in the feel, alongside what you are hearing through your IEMs whilst playing is what is key here. I can guarantee despite the lower rating of this transducer, on full power, it is still more feedback that you’ll ever need. On full pelt, it will make you sick. In reality, its about finding the sweet spot for your preference. It can make you feel that you are in an earthquake… but in reality, you won’t want it anywhere near that powerful! Unlike other boards, this is a single transducer design. The first part, the smaller board means that it doesn’t need the force of multiple transducers to get the feedback needed. Secondly, multiple transducers can cause phase cancellation, causing frequency dependent dead or hot spots on the board. Sometimes less is indeed more! Portable : 60x60cm Having a big board is all very well and good - but in reality, taking up a load of room at a gig isn’t going to make you very popular. A lot of boards are pretty large and take up a lot of precious real estate at the Dog and Duck. The thinking behind this board, is a portable board of a manageable weight that is going to deliver detailed feedback. Construction : The inside construction is under wraps - what I can say though, is that it’s different to the other boards on the market at the moment. Having experimented with lots of designs, the insides of the board deliver a very tight response across all of the lower frequency ranges that we are interested in. The top is a strong, grippy, long life rubber surface, which gives plenty of grip and won’t look shabby after just a few gigs! (Oh and it's a bit more sexy than the other offerings, right?) Amps : I’ve got a few amps in mind but have successfully tested an amp that works especially well for this application. There's plenty of research I'm still doing around this area, especially in the DSP area. So anyway, let us know what you think... 😛 And who's interested so far...? (and yes, total system cost will be cheaper than the current offerings...)

They are useful if you are tapping, or don't use floating thumb technique. I find them particularly useful on a 5 string so the B string doesn't rings or when my thumb lifts from a muting position. (It's basically a crutch for my poor technique!)

Ha - funnily enough you should say that... been there, done that... - the sensation is then localised around your ankles and doesn't travel up your body. I think it's the best, portable, solution out there at the moment though, if its worn around the waist.

Yes - your back has the least nerve endings for starters. The feeling of big movement comes through your legs. If you think about a loud gigs, it's the movement in the floor where it's coupled with the subs that give you the feeling of big air. Here's the theory - get a subwoofer, suspend it in the air... and with earplugs in... stand in front of it. You may feel air movement on things like your face... but what is happening is nothing like the movement that you'd get if the sub is coupled to the floor. The Woojer on the chest is better... but again, it's the feeling of something localised on your chest as opposed to a feeling of being in a big gig. Moving it down to your hips is much much better. But then you get all the feeling in your waist... but again, not so much that feeling of big bass coupling through your body, through the floor and then into your legs and up your spine.

Well... watch this space. This weekend has been quite a revolution.

Can tell you from all my experimentations, the backbeat has it's transducer in the wrong place.

If this board comes to realisation... it'll knock your socks off. 😜

No worries man! Here starteth the revolution! (can't believe you aren't a woojer fan!)

The world doesn’t work like that though. Complaints drive change, particularly if it’s a common complaint. If nobody ever complained, improvement and innovation would stagnate. So again, I have to politely disagree with you. Im not sure why you appear to have so much butt hurt here, the forum is rife with complaints about Rickenbacker, Ashdown, Ampeg - I’ve even seen a fair few complaints about Shuker (another homegrown) - but it’s how they are dealt with that makes all the difference.

That looks nice! The only thing I don’t like is the plastic nut on the jack socket. Looks cheap - WoT - go tell him!

Side loaded is so unconventional it just seems wrong. How easily can the encoder knob be unsoldered and put onto a flying cable... because at the end of the day, it is that which is the real problem.

If a brand is being publicly shredded on a forum, you should stop and ask yourself why. There’s usually some sort of justification behind it all! imho of course!

I don't believe that at all. I'm sure the sniping helped - because I'm sure Alex's posting was more about damage limitation and publicly being seen to do the right thing... when clearly the customer's issues were not high enough up his order of importance when the customer was going through the "proper" channels... So well done for Alex to finally addressing the issues - although I do question his choice of words in response. If I was the customer, I would be livid with the response as all it tells me is that I'm well, well, well down in the pecking order despite having paid top money for a cab. Why should BF be immune to criticism on this board? If any cab from <insert manufacturer here> was having peeling tolex issues, I would more than expect a similar posting complaining about it. I'm all for supporting British and all that - but only if the product is up to the competition, especially when other manufacturers don't seem to have the problems that Barefaced have. Additionally, I don't think I've ever experienced that sort of response as witnessed above when I have had issue to talk to manufacturers.

I can't believe what I've just read. But hey ho.

Have you considered mounting two jack sockets to the box instead of switches? Then you can have a separate box that is used just for the switches? This means the FI could be tucked anywhere in a pedal board and doesn’t have to be accessible with a foot. The only important thing then is just the screen?

Feet...

Remember, prerecorded tracks have been through limiters and been mastered so haven't got the transients that are present in live music (yes, compressors on your aux can tame things a little but it's not comparative to a recording) - As a consequence, I would say take tracks that have obscene amounts of bass because thats whats going to give up first. My go to IEM bass unfriendly tracks - Free - Rudimental, Can't Stop Playing (Makes Me High) - Dr. Kucho! and Gregor Salto (0:45 onwards - it's this track (I think Ive posted it in the thead before...) And for detail and sound stage, Hell Freezes Over version of Hotel California - The Eagles As a rule, I would always take headroom - so extra drivers in the low are going to be your friend, especially if your primary concern is live use. You may prefer a lower driver count in isolation... but in a band situation, that extra headroom is going be appreciated.

i've been working on my own haptic feedback platform (mentioned in to @Gunsfreddy2003 not too long ago) that has a more uniform feel that the Eich and P&D boards that I've tried. Also, they are a lot more smaller (60x60) than other boards, so more friendly for the smaller venues. I'm working on getting my drawings CNCed now that I've completed them. The prototype is pretty mean and I'm proper happy with the results that I've got. I'm getting some machined for my band - and the cool thing is, they should come in substantially cheaper than the competition. Operational noise wise, they are near silent - which is great - as the design has eliminated anything that could potentially cause noise. Sound interesting? Once I've got the first built, I'll share the details here... so if anybody is interested, I may be able to negotiate some volume discounts for everybody. I was going to wait to post the pics... but meh. Threads been quiet for a while!

Has anybody got a quality alternative to the following - https://www.adj.com/light-bridge-system Theres lots of knock offs but the ADJ one was actually pretty good...

Looking great. I love a good project, I do.

Indeed. Why are there so many salty comments about posting up covers? I got a barrage of it on Facebook today... by a bloke who’s band plays... covers.

...presumably he doesn’t slum it in the bus though. He will be in the private jet.

He may have worn through his gigging strides by now.