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Where is JTUK nowadays anyway? Looking at the website, The Crossfire gig calendar seems quite healthy. (Don't know if that's related to his BC and CF absence or not)

We've been speaking about this over at the IEM thread. It's not a new thing - it's just another take on the Subpac and Woojer tech... and arguably less well executed! Having tested the Subpac and owning the Woojer, I can tell you that haptic feedback is a very powerful medium in terms of getting the sensation of loud bass! @ped - they are generally powered by high power batteries as found in phones and bluetooth - which is good enough for listening to music, not so good for IEM use. However, if you are using a wireless pack, you plug the wireless pack into the woojer and then your headphones into the woojer. The woojer has it's own built in amp... so as long as you are wireless in terms of IEM, and wireless from your bass, there is nothing tethering you to the spot. Oh - and in response to the thread title. Genius.. but maybe poorly executed. We shall have to see post the kickstarter campaign. It took Woojer the second release to get to where it is now... the first release was very primitive in comparison!

Tomorrow! And Sunday!

Good point - the college my friend teaches at, actually has a room full of Macs running Logic X/Protools and a dedicated project studio for tracking/mixing and mastering. The bulk of the work can be done on the drop in Macs.

In all honesty, in that price range, they are all comparable.

In Logic, I spend a lot of time with EQs and my personal fave seems to be the API take on it. Very simple but very musical EQ. With regards to the EQs found on bass amps, I generally find them particularly frustrating because they aren't as useful as I think they should be. For a lot of people, EQ is about drawing shapes whilst shifting sliders or thinking "I need more bass, or low mids..." and then just tweaking the appropriate knob. Amazingly, alot of people don't appreciate the frequencies that they are dealing with - and bass guitar frequencies are not as low as they think - because it's the harmonics and not the fundamentals which are produced at volume through bass rigs. In reality, without understanding the impact that the room is having on the sound and the fact that a lot of tweaking with narrow notches is the answer to many troublesome rooms. If in doubt, leave it flat... because it is bound to sound better than an ill configured EQ. Swamping bass and nasal boosts are going to do your band no favours.

I concur with the above. I wish I had gone Mac years ago. It would have prevented my burning through a load of mid priced PCs for years. To echo what has already been said, buy the best that you can afford and expect a long time of trouble free computing. My bro's macbook is 11 years old now... and still going strong and is plenty fast enough for what he uses it for. For Logic though, get as good a processor and as much RAM as you can afford. With regard to the screen real estate, a cheap external monitor will solve that (appreciate that it's an extra outlay). My 4 year old Mac 13" is great for on the move although I do wish I still had the bigger screen that i had for a while.

Its a loud box, it's going to be quite sizeable... although I think @stingrayPete1977 sent me a pic of his 735 (same box as 745) sat next to the SRM450 it was replacing. There wasn't that much to be in it to be fair - and the 450 was a 12" driver cab. Good luck with the tweaking - its always easier to take away frequencies than add - so I suspect that you will have no issues on that front. Eager to hear your reports, especially after the gigs.

Yeah, that'll all change as soon as you put a bass in her hands. Always dug Haim to be honest, good old fashioned no BS music. The Wire still remains probably my fave track of theirs.

@BigRedX - any updates on the purchase?

Its a good little sounding practice combo. Remember is's a 30, 1x8 - and costs as much as an fx pedal... which is pretty remarkable value for money. It's a great practice/bedroom amp but don't expect it to be a powerhouse. I dug it anyway.

Ahem, your "stinky poo list".

Well, there you go!

The velcro solution will work just fine. the guitar show is at Bingley hall - http://www.theguitarshow.co.uk/ On Birmingham, mainly guitar stuff but good for a few hours browsing - there's usually a few bass bits around.

Nice effort!

@Osiris - The G55 comes in at under 3ms latency. I seem to recall that the specs are <2.9ms. So certainly up there with pro level wireless analogue to analogue. (ULXD for example, is 2.9ms) - so you have nothing to worry about on that front. Funnily enough, even on small stages I tend to use wireless just so that I have no cables under my feet. Use it - there's certainly no reason in your setup why you shouldn't. If you were telling me you were running a Smooth Hound, I certainly would be urging your edge on the side of caution as you would be within the realms of trouble with that (in fact, it annoys me that people keep banding around that it has no audible latency and is much better than the line 6 equivalents - when in reality, when using it in an IEM setup, it is useless.) Ha - my setup - yeah, overkill for most - but for me it's the result of somebody who probably cares about IEM monitoring for all gigs a little too much. I've used this setup in front of a few thousand... and a few tens down the local I think as soon as you have experienced a great monitor mix - which no doubt you will with your planned setup - you are reluctant to give it up. For me, the more I have pushed the dual desks and external plugins, the less I want to give it up. It all comes down to the final point - I just want the best monitor mix I can have within reason. My setup is actually pretty quick to set up - it's all racked and ready to go... so no real difference to plugging in just one desk! But yeah, people are probably going to be satisfied with far less! @jrixn1 is right - the 215s will enable you to do a job - but I would urge both of you to try and get into the world of quad drivers. It's the difference between running a single 10 behind you and a four ten. Just far more headroom, control, authority... and bass! I had a brief exchange with @thommydonutsabout driver count. He's just bought some high driver count IEMs - I think he concludes with me, there's a big jump from a single to a quad... and then as you go up in driver count, the returns do diminish... however, some of these 6, 8, 12+ driver count earpieces really are nirvana. Defo worth checking out if you can stomach the cost - but as I say to people, you need to stop seeing your IEMs as headphones but as a replacement for speaker cabs. If you have the FoH doing all your amplification FoH, then see your IEM as Bergantinos (or whatever) for your ears - afterall, they are doing the same job - your personal monitor on stage. Then, the cost makes more sense. Put it like this, I'm yet to see anybody who has invested in the higher end IEMs regret doing so. I think @dood and @tonyf would agree wholeheartedly with me. And both of them have been through some serious rigs. Ask them which rig has been their fave - their 64 V8s... or their cabs. I don't know if you are about to come to LBGS or Bingley Hall at the weekend but hunt me down and I'll get some top end stuff in your ears if you want to hear the difference.

Zoom vs Helix - unless you are looking at expanding into using the features of the Helix to super charge your motown... then probably not a lot! A lot of these modellers, irrespective of their pricetag, will give you a functional tone. The 215s are preferable to say, some freebie phone headphones... but you are missing out my man!

The cumulative latency is unlikely to (read won't) be an issue. Basically, as a quick rule of thumb, for most people, the absolute highest level latency of allowed in your inears before it gets off putting/unusable is 10ms. Don't let people quote the BS that it's only 3.5m from a wedge. The difference is that your IEM is pumped directly into you ear and as a consequence the effect of latency is alot more apparent... not only in playing... but especially when singing. The B3 I believe is under 2ms - however, if you start using pitch shift, that latency increases - but that's the same for most modelling devices. Assume that your B3 is 2ms or under as a nominal value. I would imagine the latency on the desk (using it as a desk, not as an audio interface - the M20d has dire latency when being used as an audio interface) is low anyway, certainly 3ms or lower. As an idea of what low, looks like, the X32 runs at under 1ms and most digital desks are under 3ms so assume that as the worst)... I can't find any specific input->DSP->Output figures for the M20d... but I would imagine it would be all over the net if the latency was high (like people are complaining about the laency for the audio interface aspect of that particular desk) So the only other thing that could start messing anything up (assuming you aren't using a chain of digital pedals that are all engaged at the same time) is if you use a wireless with your bass. For example, if you use a Smooth Hound, you are going to be on the road to a beating because that thing comes at a woeful 8ms alone and that's going to eat up a whole lot of that 10ms. You can actually run a hell of a lot and keep that latency well down. Even with entry level gear, most latency figures will be coming comfortably under 6 or 7ms (this is allowing for desk processing, digital audio dsp in the chain and wireless). The 215s are the common entry level IEM - they will certainly give you a sound but for a lot of people, will not deliver enough bass with enough headroom to use as a ampless solution. They tend to leak a lot - so they allow alot of ambient sound in from your backline, so with a bit of tweaking, guys using the 215s get an acceptable route. With my experience of multi driver IEMs, as echoed many times in this thread, quad is going to be what the majority of bass players will crave to get the bass response they need. The reason that 215s generally do OK compared to a single driver "custom IEM" - is because the custom will be utilising a balanced armature instead of dynamic driver - that is found in the 215. The 215 therefore, in comparison with a single balanced armature IEM, is likely to develop more bass.

It depends what you are looking for - the simplest approach is a DI. If you get more complex you can move up to a pre/modeller etc. But if you just want a bass sound with no cab emulation, your rig could be a 25 quid DI box and a set of IEMs.

No problem - check out my comment on the processing on the desk vs the Zoom.... I think you had already replied before I added the edit.

^^ Perfect. Although you may find the EQ and compressor processing on the desk better than the Zoom. I don't know explicitly though - I'm not overly familiar with either device. The app for your iPad is available here : https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/stagescape-remote/id529370822?mt=8

Cripes Im blind.

Just been through his credit list. Yeah, he'd do.

Yeah it is... the Baggs is not that blue Klark Teknik DI down the side of the speaker cab. Mic - yeah, I don't dispute they know what they were doing - genuinely intrigued what they mic of choice for a bass cab is. Monitor world looks pretty immense. Lovely, lovely wireless... I'd quite like a little go on that