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[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1494949375' post='3299892'] Only below the point where the baffle is one wavelength across, ie., the baffle step frequency. With a typical 410 that's at about 500Hz. Above that dispersion is at best 180 degrees. Then there's the matter of the cone diameter. Above where it is one wavelength dispersion rapidly narrows. With a ten that's above roughly 1.6kHz. Put those two tens side by side and the dispersion is more than halved compared to with one, and we haven't even touched on comb filtering, which occurs above where the driver center to center distance is one wavelength. [/quote] I didn't necessarily say it was going to be a nice bass sound! I always found backline to be a compromise in some way... hence why I sacked it all off and went IEM. Leave the FOH to do it all.

But your Barefaced setup is far from FRFR... which is what this thread is meant to be about.

For home use, I was pleasantly surprised by the PJB Double 4. I don't know what your budget is - but certainly worth investigating for at home if you have the cash. In answer to your direct question - if it's cheap enough - it's worth a punt, right?

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1494946253' post='3299859'] That's certainly my experience, as far as "bass" frequencies are concerned. However, I do find mid range to be rather more focused and therefore more susceptible to dispersion issues. It all depends on the sound you go for I suppose. [/quote] Agreed - this is why I think the idea of having a cab to do foh duties is fundamentally flawed and going to compromise the sound that the audience hear. If you are micing up the guitar to get around the directional issues associated with say, a guitar (which many bands don't - which is why you can't hear a balanced sounding guitar in a crowded pub unless you are standing in right of it - and then it's likely to be melting your face off), you may as well do the same for your bass - assuming that your PA can take it. I understand that not going through the PA and getting backline to do FOH duties may be more convenient - but you are always going to have a compromise in that setup. That's why I reckon it's best to get a bass rig you can hear on stage so your own monitoring needs are sorted and leave what the audience hear to foh. But thats just me.

Meh, if people can't deal with a tongue in cheek comment in a forum, then God help them in the real world.

I'm not entirely sure either - being able to hear yourself through your cab is one thing - but from an audience point of view, I would have thought that in a lot of typical gig venues without PA support, bass is going to be be fairly well heard (assuming you have enough power) because it's omnidirectional.

It so isn't. I stand by my comment.

[quote name='Roland Rock' timestamp='1494935227' post='3299695'] Thanks. Bass direct have them at £40 so I've gone for a set of Lo Riders from them [/quote] Enjoy!

Err... but they are all valid points. A 410 was released after BF stated ad nauseam that it was a flawed design and something that they wouldn't be interested in producing. Please inform me what Alex has done that has been revolutionary in cab design? Presumably he holds the corresponding patents too? Hmmm....

Err... I don't know if you have seen this page or not - http://barefacedbass.com/technical-information/12XN550.htm - but I think it would be hard to disagree that the whole underlying message is that the 12" in Barefaced cabs are deemed to be superior to those found in other "boutique" bass cabs... or is it just me that is receiving that message? When you are making bold claims like that, it is inevitable that discussions like this will take place... if people don't like it, maybe a forum isn't the best place for them to hang out! There's no ad hominem it, if the claims are there, people will seek to validate them, especially when the cabs in questions are directly compared to some of the best selling cabs on the market. There is a lot of he said / she said... but it would seem the case with this particular brand, nobody can talk freely about them without being at the mercy of the fanboys. There's been plentiful of discussion about many brands and their claims... yet this one brand seems to be a contentious subject. As it stands, I'm not too interested on the polar response of a cab (although I am still reading with interest - especially if a full range analysis of the FR800 can be done as opposed to just the woofer) - I'm more interested in how FRFR a cab that is marketed as a FRFR cab is... and how well it performs at volume, in a gigging situation - isn't that what the initial OP was trying to get at too? I don't think, handle joke aside - which let's face it, is a bit of an ongoing forum joke, I've said anything that is out to upset - I'm looking at the graphs - and the information, to gleam what I can about the product, just as I would with any other product. I feel sometimes that people on here are far too sensitive over gear at times.

Good, to be fair, I think that the claim that the BF 12 is superior to other 12s was the purpose of the graphs. I think the tyre argument doesn't quite work either, I think we are talking more about the engines!

[quote name='DaytonaRik' timestamp='1494928376' post='3299590'] I was a very early adopter of wireless IEMs but after many years of generic silicon earpieces and lately Shure SE215 IEMS, I've decided to take the plunge and go for a set of 64 Audio A3 custom fitted IEMs. Paul at Custom IEM has been excellent with his comms etc and confirmed that the A3 will suit my needs very well - I tend to have a very balanced mix, almost like an engineer's FoH mix with the bass and my lead vocals just pushed forward a touch. Now I just have to arrange for an impression and then a 3-4 week wait once I place the order [/quote] Good work - I think you will notice a huge improvement in the fit and performance over the 215s. The 64s are lovely - exceptionally well made - I bought a pair of triples for my gf for the gym (she couldn't find anything to stay in here ears), she can't get enough of them.

Although, in the spirit of the thread, this is the graph that we should be looking at -

For FRFR, this is the graph that we should be interested in. I think it's clear to see the DSP is having some influence on keeping the response pretty flat. Again, would be interested to see how the FR800 compares.

Back to the thread title - the OP was looking for comment on FRFR and off axis response came up - so, as a comparison, here are the vendor supplied charts (ideally Stevie should do the measurements to keep things on the level) for the 745. You are looking at the 3rd dotted line down from the top - circa -3db attenuation at 10k off axis is pretty good in my book... but again, use your ears and all that. I'd like to see the chart for the FR800 (including the HF horn) to see how it compares.

It was a joke. You know, a joke.

That diagram looks just short of two... what happened? A handle fall off?

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1494849657' post='3298936'] Yeah, I get that. I just can't see many people ever needing or wanting to do that - especially as it means buying two amps (three if you want a spare/backup)... [/quote] Hence my comment about losing the plot!

Unless the cab is [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]a 500W 4ohm cab single 12 or something, quit your whining. If you aren't using your own gear, the likelihood is that you are never going to get exactly what you want.[/font][/color] [font="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#282828"]A technical rider is always considered optional or best endeavours for a bassist. Turning up to a gig and having an amp that is capable of gigging at gig volumes is sometimes novelty in itself...[/color][/font]

For those guys that are looking at capable desks for running their inears... The new QSC TouchMix updates are pretty outstanding... so it should defo be a contender, especially as you don't need any sort of existing iPad to use it and it's a lot more smaller and lightweight than some of the comparable products that have physical sliders. So here are the details - [font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]Announcing TouchMix Version 3.0[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]On June 6, we will be introducing TouchMix V3.0 for TouchMix-8/16. Version 3.0 includes twenty significant enhancements, making these models far and away the most powerful and comprehensive, yet easy-to-use compact mixers available. Many features previously available exclusively on the TouchMix-30 Pro are now implemented, including:[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• Anti-Feedback Wizard[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• Room-Tuning Wizard[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• Real-Time Analyzer (RTA)[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• Copy-and-Paste[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• Playback of MP3 files on a USB drive[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• Input Delay[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• Output PEQ[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• 15 dB Digital Gain[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• Channel Overview[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• USB Drive Formatting[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• Improved graphics and screen layout (similar to TM-30 Pro)[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]A number of additional, all-new features in Version 3.0 are also provided including:[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• Channel Safe[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• Tap Tempo[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• Tablet Follows Mixer[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• Four additional User Buttons (on connected tablet)[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• Ability to configure Aux 7/8 and Aux 9/10 as balanced, mono outputs (TouchMix-16)[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• K.2 Series Preset simulation[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• System check, offering direct download of updates when the mixer is connected to the Internet.[/size][/size][/font][font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]• More...[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=3] [size=4]The first two points are pretty interesting - that sort of feature set usually requires some sort of outboard. Looking forward to the release and testing it out.[/size][/size][/font]

I switched from hi beams to lo riders. The lo riders are a bit stiffer, so if you want a tighter feel, go for the lo riders over the hi beams. Tone wise, there is very little between them - the hi beams are tiny bit brighter but you would not know unless you had the opportunity to record them and a/b - in fact, it's so negligible it's almost not worth mentioning. I've tried a lot of strings now.. and DR are still my go to strings.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1494573387' post='3297012'] [i][color=#231F20]"With two amps together, connected through the Effects loop (Send from one to Return on the other), you can drive two 4 ohm cabinets, getting a separate volume control for each cabinet while using the EQ from the one you plug in to"[/color][/i] [color=#231F20] [/color] [color=#231F20]What an odd suggestion! Why would anyone wish to do such a thing? [/color] [/quote] If you are an EBS cab owner and already have 2 of their 4 ohm cabs. Separate volume - I guess it's so you can balance the volume output between two different configurations of cab. Would hardly say it's a marketing point to be made though. I think EBS have lost the plot compared to what they once were.

Incidentally, I'm not a fan of wireless packs that have non replaceable batteries... or not AAs for that matter! At least if you have forgotten to charge your wireless (last minute gig comes in or whatever) - you can quickly pop to pretty much any shop and pick up some AAs. Can't say that for AAAs... and you are out of luck if you have non replaceable batteries. The other thing about non replaceable batteries is the hassle of sorting them if it goes faulty or dies over time etc... For rechargeables, I use eneloops. Even if you charge them and leave them on the shelf for the year, they are still good to go. The only thing that I am really critical about, apart from the RF performance and sound quality, is the latency. Take that into account, especially if you are running digital desks and digital pedals... and especially inears.

[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=4] Sorry! The item Harley Benton Custom Line Bass DI-Expander is thomann not part of our current product range anymore. :-/[/size][/font][/color]

This guys has had a bit of a turn with on bass... Lets think.... Lets Spend The Night Together... Jumpin' Jack Flash, Sympathy for the Devil, Street Fighting Man... That's some impressive records to have a bass credit on. Oh, and he was the bass player in the Dirty Mac with John Lennon!