EBS_freak

Are you looking to stack two FR800s? If not, the stacking of the RCFs is a bit of a moot point.

Jazz

I remember them being 1999 a pair - gone up to what they are now - 2089.

It was. I didn't start anything.

Sell the PA head, sell the 210 - put it towards funding a bass amp. That HH is going to hold you back. A 410 with a decent bass head would make for a great rig.

Just seen your edit. Oh.. I absolutely do... The inclusion of HPF in the 410 is a marketing ploy to potentially place the BF410 above the competition. Sharp, ain't I?

Proper chill here. I thought you were out. We really should be getting back to talking about the cabs btw.

Drives me which way? You made a veiled attack on me, I responded with an honest response. And while we are talking about not understanding stuff, I don't understand how marketing claims defy certain givens. Each to their own.

I spoke about the 410s with regard to the marketing approach that BF use - reread the post exactly above it for some context. I couldn't care less about EBS cabs, I use JH Audio Roxannes. Incidentally, if you want to bring EBS cabs into play, I don't approve of the cheapening of their products that they have done. Chinese knock off corners, thinning of the carpet covering... the same Gamma/Delta speakers that everybody else uses. The appeal of their cabs to me, is actually the Selenium HF horn... which isn't that expensive either but like most cabs doesn't really justify the prices of their cabs either. I'd much rather run with a decent PA in front of me - it would certainly leave the EBS cabs for dust.

At no point did I infer that the 410 was FR/FR. It was you that brought that term into play with reference to the 410. It's great that people like them - as it would be pretty poor if people were buying cabs that they didn't like. I would be interested to hear from people who have owned and gig a whole load of 410s and be able to give a real world view on the BF 410 to see if the marketing hype actually translates into real world performance. I get the lightweight thing - I absolutely do - but sometimes I think that the actual performance of the cabs may be overhyped due to the owner being so pleased about the weight of the cab. Like I've said before, if Alex's 18" sub actually performs as well as the competition, then he is onto a winner... but a lightweight sub is pretty much high up on any sound guys wish list. If it was achievable with absolutely zero impact on the sound performance, I'm sure that every manufacturer in the land would be doing it. Call me cynical - but Alex surely can't be the first person to make a killer lightweight 18 sub to perform as an equal against the other products in the market? Marketing in action - 130dB - similar to typical 2x18" DJ subs A pair of 2x18s should be approaching, if not exceeding, 140dB. EDIT : I would actually buy a pair of Alex's 18s if they out gunned my current subs.

I'm sure I've said this before... maybe it's the flaws in the cab that actually appeals to people. The 8x10, from a physics point of view, is one of the most flawed cabs out there... but it's also one of the most loved cabs. Sometimes, the flaws are the appeal. I don't think anybody is bashing, trying to discredit or necessarily having an axe to grind, - I think it's just that there are people out there who are genuinely interested in looking past the marketing hype and technobabble to find out more about the meat and bones of a cab design. There have been some very interesting view points put forward in this thread alone... and I think Stevie is actually making some valid points in response to Alex's. Alex certainly hasn't done anything ground breaking in terms of cab design... and if the addition of a hpf one side of a 4x10 is taking the flaws out and making it such a better cab, without fail, for the cost of implementing those hpf, EVERY 4x10 manufacturer would be doing it.

I didn't say they were presented as fr/fr cabs. Lighter than a lot of the competition maybe... but better... based on what evidence?

Remember, 410s are flawed. 410s are flawed. 410s are flawed. 410s are flawed. May I introduce to you, my new 410.

Man, if there was a 5 string version of this, I'd be all over it.

OOh - thats good to know. The lack of decent grabby thing has put me off upgrading my iPad.

Don't powersoak/attenuate a SS amp.

Sounds like a good offer to me.

Aw noooooooo Woojer delay. It's going to be a long 3-4 months. I don't even need the bluetooth bit!

Ive wondered why those awful (to look at) clip on headstock tuners haven't got a time on them... at least you could kill two birds with one look without the audience knowing that you are clock watching.

Anybody got one of these yet? I think the lack of a top hat for pole mounting tops was a bit of an oversight given the market that they appear to going for...

Molan - Same with off axis and on axis micing. Off axis reduces the treble response... which when micing up ear splitting harsh treble guitar amps, can be a sneaky trick to help tame those highs.

You'd love the Tickled Trout in Wye. Full compliment of roadies, front of house crew, separate monitoring crew, d&b monitors in abundance for all... and to top it off, in exchange for your night of entertainment, a hefty pay check. No rider is too much, you have your own private wing to get ready for the gig and if requested, fluffers are on hand to get you prepared. Hell, you may even get use of a helicopter to get you to and from the venue so you don't have to mingle with the common folk. Just don't forget to wear your best strides for the occasion. Make no mistake, you won't have any problems hearing yourself at the Tickled Trout. * so I've heard. I clearly don't move in the circles that are worthy of playing at the aforementioned venue.

Oh to play the Tickled Trout where the d&b monitors would eradicate this entire problem.

I believe he does trials? - so you should be able to get one to use in familiar surroundings? Certainly worth giving him a call.

use inears and use a bass rig to balance with your front of house if isn't up to the job of pushing bass out... or sack off the bass rig and use inears with the foh taking care of everything.