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[quote name='blue' timestamp='1482189753' post='3198411'] You might want to stay away from too much red & green. Blue [/quote] I like the blue subliminal message.

Has anybody noticed if using an eq before say, a future impact improves tracking? Maybe cleaning up all the sub lows improves tracking? Mind you, I'm guessing that the filters inside the Future Impacts triggering mechanism already do that if it's necessary?

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1484171297' post='3213361'] The problem is with digital desks is it is so easy to do drastic eq that on a physical control would be moving it towards the edge of its travel - digital it's harder to be subtle is you're not so expert in what you're doing - that's my theory anyway [/quote] Drastic - I guess... the EQs are certainly a lot more powerful than traditional analogue desks in that they have sweepable frequency points and Q over the standard fixed settings normally found. So yes, more powerful... but more potential for poor decisions! With the additional sweepable HPF points, you can get some incredibly good mud free mixes that just aren't possible without a load of outboard in the analogue world. I'm not sure why anybody would choose anything but a digital desk in a live environment in today's world. [quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1484171518' post='3213362'] we do our own mixes - the problem is it's post gain and eq on the board - so if the room eq needs much eq then it changes dramatically in my ears - ideally I would have a tiny bit more control over my sound [/quote] It sounds like your routing isn't right - off the top of my head, so forgive me if I am a little hazy, on your desk, hit the IO button on the top right. I think theres a tab called something like Mon or Monitor there on the screen that comes up. Hit that tab on the screen. The screen should show Direct Out for each channel. Ensure that everything is Direct out and corresponding to a channel (e.g Dir Out 1 is on Channel 1, Dir Out 2 is on channel 2) and ensure that you are in ME-1 mode, not Aviom mode. (I'm guessing you are in ME-1 mode already if you ME-1s are working). Then push the processing button, again at the top right of the desk. Click the Routing tab on the screen and then the Direct Out tab. Push the select (SEL) button on the 1st channel strip for channel input 1. The screen should update showing the corresponding info for that channel. At the bottom of that screen, I think you'll see a pop up bar (I think it's yellow) and it will say something like Direct Out Source, or Dir Out Src or something like that. If you press that, a little screen will appear with two boxes and a drop down. Ensure that the follow fader is not enabled. This means that your ME-1 is not influenced by the position of the fader for the front of house. The follow mute button configures whether muting the channel front of house should also mute the channel on the ME1. Have it pressed as you require. As for the drop down, choose the appropriate output for your needs - if you are complaining about the EQ, it sounds like you need to select a direct out point above the Post PEQ option.For example, if you chose the Post Preamp option, that should feed you the dry signal (before it hits the EQ processing) straight to your ME-1. I think there is a HPF direct out point... you may find that a good option to keep the mud out of your mix. You may need to experiment with these. I know there is a gating option - which can be great for keeping drums sounding great front of house - but may find a bit annoying in your in-ears. Oh yeah, you'll need to repeat this configuration for every channel. I suspect you are on follow fader/post delay at the moment... and hence why you are hearing the funky EQ and volume fluctuations with any move of the front of house faders. To be honest, I prefer mixing off an aux and an iPad (I know the numbers are more limited that way due to you using output busses) than the ME-1 but there are some things you may want to consider depending upon how confident you are in configuring the desk and how many channels you have free. (This is applicable for both ME-1 and Aux mixing) - For a single high channel desk where a large proportion of the channels aren't being used, I will say have 24 channels for front of house and 24 channels for monitoring. You can digitally split the input from your AR2412 to a couple of channels - say input 1 goes to channel 1 and channel 25. What this means is that you can EQ say, a vocal, for front of house, on channel 1, and the EQ for your ME-1s on channel 25 - your direct outs on 25 can then be Post the EQ but still pre fader... but you have the advantage of hearing the processing in your monitor mix. What you are effectively doing now is running a front of house mixer and monitor mixer in one desk. I think I have talked about previously when talking about the inears mix that I recorded off my DL32R - exactly same concept. It's all good fun but a bit complex if you haven't done it before and a bit of a minefield if you aren't familiar with configuring mixing desks. [quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1484077331' post='3212524']and as normal its fairly hard to get the mix sounding balanced[/quote] If you fix the above, I would wager you'll find it a lot easier to mix your own inears... because at the moment, any tweaks front of house is definitely going to mess up your mix! Hope that your sound guys get used to the desk - it's got too much to offer not to make the most of it. Controlling via DCA is really powerful... and the fx engine is really strong. It's a great desk - although having said that, it looks like they have decided to EOL it given their new announcements for NAMM and the fact that they are keeping silent over any firmware updates to fix the outstanding bugs... grr... Anyway, hope this helps to fix your ME-1 issues* and good luck! *I know that church PA guys are usually very precious and don't let anybody near the "complex (complex because they don't understand) and expensive" equipment... so hopefully you can get somebody on side to help get your changes applied.

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1484165478' post='3213275'] ahh GLD 80 I think it is and we have the ME-1 units. It's a church. The compression and EQ is really really good - the PA team's ability to use it less so... [/quote] I have the GLD80 - no excuse for poor monitor mixes then! The ME-1s are great little units too (alas I don't have any but have tried them - don't really lend themselves to wireless use)

I remembered this thread and thought I would make you aware of the following - [url="http://ritteramps.com/camplifier/"]http://ritteramps.com/camplifier/[/url] Also, to the OP... if you read the manual, it states that its stable to 600w @ 4 Ohm.

Qu - range of Allen and Heath digital mixers.

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1484077331' post='3212524'] Aye, I was at work, and lunch ended so couldn't type more... Sounded great - the bottom end wasn't amazing so need to work on how well they fit, but everything was there and audible. If anything it made me realise all the mistakes of my playing - the shock of hearing everything - combined with the first time with a new drummer meant it wasn't a stressless experience - but for the first time ever I could hear everything. We have the Allen and Heath setup which lets you do your own mix, and as normal its fairly hard to get the mix sounding balanced. But everything also was a lot quieter in my ears. [/quote] The mix will balance out over time, with every time you use it, the amount of tweaking between playing will get less and less. Presume that you are on a QU? Remember, you have compression and EQ available, so make use of it to help you hear what you need... but as you state, make sure the fit is good in your ears as a starting point.

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1484062473' post='3212332'] Used them at practice last night - freakingly i could hear everything! [/quote] A good result!

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“To suggest that … would ever intentionally compromise the success of any artist is defamatory, outrageous and frankly absurd … In very rare instances, there are, of course, technical errors that can occur with live television, however, an initial investigation has indicated that DCP had no involvement in the challenges associated with Ms. Carey’s New Year’s Eve performance.” A proper politicians response! To suggest that … would ever intentionally compromise the success of any artist is defamatory, outrageous and frankly absurd - no matter how obsurd, it could happen... and has happened. (I don't think anybody did anything on purpose, I just think that somebody on the tech team f**ked it) In very rare instances, there are, of course, technical errors that can occur with live television - of course, err... did we just witness one? an initial investigation has indicated that DCP had no involvement in the challenges associated with Ms. Carey’s New Year’s Eve performance. - and what about any subsequent investigations? An initial statement said that the inears would be ok when she went on stage...

This is not uncommon, I know a few luthiers who have to "mod" the case appropriately - and the mod is.... get out your hammer and hammer the padding down about one cm at the body side and about one cm where the headstock is. If you go up to the larger case, the case is too large and its not as snug as you would want it to be.

Barts actually really work for me... For me, I don't like the top end of the East circuits, Audere or Sadowsky (in isolation at least - I should state that the Sadowsky sound really cuts through in a band situation and sounds great) - but theres plenty of people that make them sound great. I would say stick with the Bart preamp before looking at anything else - but that's just me. The biggest change in sound is going to come from a change in preamp... they defo do sound different as they all spec different frequencies for their treble, mid and bass - and different qs. I think Bart are really underrated - and have become stuck with an image that they are the "off the shelf option" - there's a reason why a load of luthiers use them. They do the job great.

The mixer would give you the front of house mix, not an aux mix but if only vocals are in question, that may be enough... but what you certainly don't want is an ambient mic going through front of house.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1483961140' post='3211366'] Is it possible to use a single mic front centre of stage to feed a very rough overall backline stage mix of the band into the IEMs? Seems it would be less hassle than micing/DIing and subsequent mixing of the whole band. [/quote] Yes - AKA as ambient mic. Ambient mics (preferably condenser mic due to their pickup pattern) can be placed wherever you need them to be - facing the backline, facing the audience... they are typically panned left and right when running stereo IEMs to give back the 3D image which performers often complain about being lost.

[quote name='markstuk' timestamp='1483958246' post='3211336'] Would not rule out option 4 completely - desks like the Behringer X18, Soundcraft Ui16 and RCF M18 can provide individual mixes for less than £500 new if you shop around... I'm umming and ahhing about pulling the trigger on one of these at the moment.. [/quote] Option 4 is a bit of a joke I have with Jim - it is actually the most correct solution. If you go into the monster IEM thread in the accessories forum, you'll see a lot of mixers, including some of the ones that you have mentioned, have been talked about at great length.

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=3][color=#000000]OK - so you probably have figured that the best way of using IEMs is putting the whole mix through your ears but it reads like you don’t particularly want to go this route. (Be aware that you can have your backline going through your desk for monitor purposes, without going out to front of house so if you want to use your backline for front of house without using the PA speakers, you still can).[/color] [color=#000000]Guitarists are always against IEMs and can never give you a proper reason why they shouldn’t use IEM. Let them learn - I’ve managed to get even the most stubborn guitarist onto IEMs. (I put a talk back system in place and he felt out of it when the jokes were being cracked and he couldn’t hear them).[/color] [color=#000000]In theory - and to some extent in practice, you can use an IEM system for vocals only - but your results will vary and be unpredictable. The reason I say this, is that if you aren’t micing up your backline, putting a vocal feed into your ears and you are still wanting to hear the backline, the success depends on how much of the backline you are picking up through your vocal mic… and how leaky your inears are. The second point is the key one. If there is too much isolation on your inears, you aren’t going to be hearing your backline. At which point, you’ll be tempted to take one of your inears out. From a protecting your ears point of view, this is one of the worst things you can do because you will then start pumping up the volume of the inear that is in your ear and you run the risk of permanent damage to your ear. Isolation is not necessarily a bad thing - I would rather have isolation than a swampy sounding stage. Conversely, with careful placement of ambient mics, there is no reason why you can’t have a natural sounding environment in your inears. Basically, the best IEM solution is that which occludes everything from the outside world and the only thing that you can hear, is what is piped into your ears through the mix. If you want ambient sound, use ambient mics.[/color] [color=#000000]A common thing is read on here about inears not giving people what they want is because they can’t really do it on the cheap. You need a good source - what you put into your desk is what is important. Crap in, crap out. You need a good desk with an appropriate number of auxes with ideally an EQ on those outputs. You need good transmission of that output to your ears, whether that is wireless or wired. Go wired because cheap wireless doesn’t cut it. Finally, what is in your ears is crucial. Apple buds are not quality inears. They will not give you the seal and bass response that you crave in a live situation. You only have to look through the latest entries in the monster IEM thread in the Accessories section of the forum to see peoples views on that who have been there and subsequently upgraded. Basically, if you can't meet the requirements of any of those steps, you are destined for a sub standard, even miserable, IEM experience.[/color] [color=#000000]The good news is though, if you are looking at wired for a starting point, it will cost you very little to experiment to see if a minimal setup can work for you.[/color][/size][/font]

Yup, any small mixer will do the job for you.

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[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1483871744' post='3210685'] Yeah - this is gloriously simple but it screams 'Pot luck'. If there's a bit chunk of money involved, I'd be reluctant to take the risk on this method. [/quote] Perhaps - but the company involved had said to me that they had never any issues with the process so who knows?

It's not as difficult as it is being made out above. Check out the below - [url="https://www.fedex.com/gtm/pdf/USF076.pdf"]https://www.fedex.co.../pdf/USF076.pdf[/url] (Document is 19 CFR 10.1 - Domestic products; requirements on entry.) I returned an £2k item (insured shipping was £100 - ouch!) to the States and it was pretty straightforward... you fill in the above item and send it with the item. A similar form is completed for the return journey by the vendor. My post office were pretty clued up - but I would wager it's pretty much pot luck on that front. No hold ups or anything - it did get checked - and it was all like clockwork. Hope this helps!

http://www.custom-inearmonitors.co.uk/reshells-remoulds/reshelling-remoulding-service-for-in-ear-monitors.html Check the above for reshelling in the UK through Paul at the CIEM company. You'll need to get some impressions done of your ears... choose your design... submit your donor IEMs... and wait. Payment will factor into there at some point too!

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1483796026' post='3210182'] No U2 have chosen in ears for the windmill gig tonight [/quote] How very unsporting.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1483795687' post='3210175'] Can you make the tickled trout tonight for £50? [/quote] Are the d&b monitors not out elsewhere then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUu1bYDz5GU Ah yes, the old drumming on the bass trick. This is a fully loaded GB Rumour with full sound to light system that was loaned to Mika's bass player for this tour. It was retuned to Bernie with big dents through to the wood in the paintwork, cracked pickups and generally looking pretty fked all over. It required a full strip, fill, refinish, two new pickups... and resulted in a bass that can never be sold due to the amount of filler in the wood under the paintwork - It would bring all of Bernie's basses into question if the paint was ever removed... When questioned wtf happened to it, apparently the bass players bangles were hitting the bass whilst he played. MC - he must think we are all stupid. The Internet has a strange way of revealing the truth.

Jim, cheapest approach would be a XLR splitter. Method 1 Mic -> Split1 -> Desk -> Aux send to IEM Mic -> Split2 -> Monitor (assuming powered monitor - if not, tell me more about what your setup is) Method 2 Depending upon what the IEM system is, you can have two inputs into the IEM mixer and run it in stereo focus mode. This means from the pack you can blend she can blend how much she wants to hear of herself in relation to the band mix which is coming in on the other feed. Then you can do a pass through on the out from the transmitter into your monitor for just the vocal into the wedge. Method 3 Little mixer in front of main mixer. Mic goes into this little mixer. Left out goes to the desk, right out goes to the monitor (or IEM depending on which way round you want to drive your monitor feeds). [s]Method 4[/s] [s]Get a desk with more auxes and satisfy everybody with their own mix.[/s] PS it sounds like you are getting shafted on the mix by the keys player.