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[quote name='leroydiamond' timestamp='1477491948' post='3162571'] Remember seeing the Australian Pink Floyd many years ago in a venue with a capacity of 500-600. Their sound was really incredible. Had a brief chat with the sound engineer and he said everything was going straight into the PA other than 4 vocal mics. No guitar amps and the acoustic kit was just triggering pads. [/quote] Triggered kicks are where I'm at the moment. I can spend my life trying to get "that" perfect live kick drum sound, eq it, compress it... try and keep it from picking up the floor tom... or just trigger a kick drum sound which would probably sound better any way due to being put back in all the elements that would be captured in a studio in a controlled environment. I feel slightly different about triggering different parts of the kit (especially say hi hats and snare as they can sound wildly different depending upon how you hit it or what you are doing with the hihat pedal) but would be more into using a hybrid setup - where for example, a snare hit could co-trigger a hand clap.

[quote name='FuNkShUi' timestamp='1477490767' post='3162563'] That was why it didn't catch on [/quote] I remember seeing Wheatus live around 2000, whether the music is to your taste or not, they sounded pretty incredible.

[quote name='FuNkShUi' timestamp='1477490459' post='3162558'] That's the dream [/quote] Just remember, Wheatus were doing it since the late 90s...

I think the "without wireless" detail has been somewhat overlooked! Anyway, try this - http://www.custom-lynx.co.uk/looms/unbalanced-loom-2.html 2x quarter inch each end... although you may need to speak to them directly so you can get the fly length to exactly the length you want. Should give you the connectivity (without a shared ground) but a standard width cable to lead to the desk/amps.

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1477488170' post='3162543'] Yep , I'm gonna check everything he's done [/quote] If you can get hold of the album by his band "Raiyn", that's pretty cool - at the time, they were all unknown but pretty much managed to forge some cool careers for themselves. Featured Adam Sosner - amongst other things MD for Rizzle Kicks Jason Silver, keys player with Mark Ronson (alongside PRB) Rick James (on bass, not that one) - but he's played with a fair few names from the pop world - I think the earliest I clocked him was with Daniel Beddingfield and Daniel Walker - although he has some link with Universal and appeared on the Voice, doesn't seem to have had the same sort of success in the pop world - but has one of the sweetest voices. All lived together in a house in London whilst perfecting their craft...

[quote name='bartelby' timestamp='1477487461' post='3162537'] Popped to Bass Direct today. I wanted to get a TC Electronic HyperGravity pedal and some flatwound strings. But I wanted to see what Mark could recommend string wise. He wasn't there. Instead I wander into the shop and was in there a couple of minutes before someone shouted from the office. Young lad walked out "What do you want today?" me: "Erm, a TC Electronic HyperGravity please" Him: "right..." *shouts to other kid in the office "OI! Draw up an invoice for a HyperGravity!" Other: "We aint got none!" Him: "Yes we have, just do it!" At this point I guess talking about strings would be pointless. So I pay and leave. [/quote] *face palm*

[quote name='tauzero' timestamp='1477412972' post='3162074'] Right, got it. I'm keeping an open mind on the situation as our drummer may be moving to an electronic kit, and our guitarist is having problems hearing some things, so no backline, PA only, and IEMs is a possible future route, but subs would be a PITA so it would be a case of moving over to something like the RCFs. [/quote] If you are looking for portability, an electric kit with you and the guitarist on modellers would be immense - especially if you are on ears. And just because I say the word modeller... it doesn't mean pants.

[quote name='Greg.Bassman' timestamp='1477233705' post='3160727'] Cheers for the feedback mate! Do you use Balanced tension yourself, or are you just speaking in general terms? [/quote] I don't - I'm a DR man - just changed from Hi Beams to Low Riders as I think I prefer the higher tension of the letter.... But the same applies with all strings, I'd expect adjustments to be necessarily when swapping between strings with different tensions. For some people it may not be that recognisable but it will be for guys that play with low actions where a fraction of a mm could be the difference between the instrument being playable or not.

That bass Callowhill bass is pretty cool. Sadly Tim Cloonan (Callowhill builder/owner) recently passed so I'm not sure if any more new Callowhill basses will surface.

Well would you look at that! Nice work.

Ah! So user error?

PS Tony, when are you going to correct the model on the Sony wireless in your signature? It drives me potty. :-p

Just to clarify, I think what Pete is trying to say is - 2x Mackie and 2x small subs (or 1 bigger sub) = 2 x RCF 735s - so cost wise, they are comparable but instead of carrying 3/4 boxes, you are carrying 2 for your money. So the (very rough) sums... (I appreciate that volume/sound quality etc isn't as simple as this...) Mackie SRM450 (Mercury AV - £379 X 2) + Mackie SRM1550 (Gear4Music £729) = £1487 RCF 735 (Mercury AV - £819 X 2) = £1638 - £150ish difference to save lifting - plus you get a 3" VC on the HF woofer so your vocals will soar on the RCFs compared to the Mackies. I know that specs are fairly loose in this game but here a few musing on the matter... [b]Mackie Tops[/b] Frequency Response: 47Hz - 20kHz, -3dB Max. Peak SPL: 128dB circa 17kg [b]Mackie Subs[/b] Frequency Response: 50Hz - 120Hz, -3dB Max. Peak SPL: 131dB circa 30kg [b]RCF Tops[/b] Frequency Response: 45 Hz - 20kHz, -3dB Max Peak SPL 132 dB circa 20kg A pair of Mackies coupled (which isn't going to happen in the real world as you would typically run a pair with one either side of stage) would give you 131dB (eg 3dB boost). So one RCF will peak roughly at the same as a pair of coupled SRM450s (So think 4 SRM450s with 2 either side of the stage). Given that the RCF are roughly twice the price, that's not a bad price to performance scale to be running with - remember, the RCF has a much higher quality 3"VC in the highs that the Mackie doesn't have either (both Mackie SRM450/Sub and RCF735 have 3" voice coils in the woofers). The higher quality HF driver allows the cross over to be lower, meaning that you can send more to the HF driver and hence open up more headroom for the woofer to actually deliver the lows and keep all the vocal detail in the top without the harshness that is typically associated with the Mackies. In other words, your woofer in your RCF will be able to run harder without getting farty and running out of puff and killing your highs. What's quite interesting is that RCF reckon their tops go down 5Hz more (like for like at -3dB) than the Mackie SUB! Granted, you'll have more headroom running a sub with a crossover but that kinda shows how full range that 735 is. I'm guessing what I'm trying to say is that roughly, the RCF 735s can replace the equivalent 3 box setup for most [b]pub and wedding[/b] situations. (If you are looking for huge kicking sub bass as opposed to replacing your bass rig and a bit of kick drum support, big subs are the only option to you anyway). If you look at Alex's FR800 - that's pretty much the same concept, a top that goes low enough and loud enough to make you consider doing away with subs - although they are again a couple more hundred quid more expensive than the 735s... so you would then be pitching them against a 745 (which has a 4" VC in the high and a 3.5 VC in the woofer and has an increase in SPL also). Remember these are all peak figures, so in reality running volume will be lower.

[quote name='mervg' timestamp='1477341812' post='3161627'] I just sent mine back. Used at home when it arrived and I was too frequently getting the blueLED flickering which indicates dropping of the link between Tx and Rx Not prepared to even try it out live. As they were less than 30cm apart I was not pleased ! [/quote] Hmm, so that's not a great start! Sometimes getting the transmitter and receiver too close is a bad thing - RF signal overload may be occurring and actually causing the problem!

You aren't going to get a mixer that does all that with that sort of aux count. The thing that comes to mind is the Behringer XR18 - compact, relatively cheap for what it is... and can serve as a mini mixer... or a big mixer!

My mate had a John English "Stealth". Like this - https://www.andertons.co.uk/p/SOR00522/electric-guitars/second-hand-fender-master-built-john-english-stealth-esquire All very cool... apart from one problem. It did sound kinda sh1t when the stealth pickups were used.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1477167837' post='3160358'] Every band I've been in has had a drummer that sings either backing or lead vocals thinking about it so we've always had a Mic somewhere near the kit. [/quote] That brings its own challenges in itself!

[quote name='Les' timestamp='1477227056' post='3160672'] Didn't work. Only got it in one ear. As per usual I was testing new kit at a gig so didn't have time to mess about. [/quote] It's usually done in the software but I know those Tacstars are pretty basic on the functionality front... in which case, try something like this . http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/maplin-635mm-mono-jack-socket-to-two-635mm-mono-jack-plugs-splitter-02m-black-te17t

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1477161998' post='3160309'] Sorry I think I mislead everyone earlier. The guitarist has just bought the speakers in. One in each hand. They're Yamaha DXR8s. [/quote] PS - not intended as condescending... more that when you said you had a pretty small top - a 10... and it turns out that it's 8s! You can't really get more diddy on the PA front!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_zsDpeWF6k Note how kit is miced. Could do with a bit of a tune though.

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1477152405' post='3160207'] Well, possibly, but at the size of venue we are talking about you would still hear the biscuit tin. Feel free to go on about big PA systems but it has already been pointed out that its neither practical or necessary in the situations we play in. [/quote] Again, don't use a biscuit tin and mic it up. Have a tuned kick and mic it up. I said before - you could use a tiny kick and process it to sound huge. I think Pete's statement was taken too much at face value. You can iron out some of the problems if you have the power in your desk. I don't see how Petes suggestion of two 15 tops at circa 20kg and say a XR18 could ever be classed as "big PA". It's portable with high SPL. Isn't that the best of both worlds?

Do people realise that micing a kit and tuning a kit aren't mutually exclusive things? You can have both, right?

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1477147720' post='3160163'] Dont need a miced kit in a pub room as our drummer is a musician, he knows how to play his kit and balance the drum and cymbal sounds, it goes with the job. As I said, its down to the musicians skill and experience to get a good balance in any room, If you need a full mix in a pub to achieve this then the musicians are lazy/ inexperienced. [/quote] :-p

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1477143901' post='3160127'] If you take the feed from the desk then no argument, but thats hardly fair. Record your fully PAd sound from the back of the room, as would be the backline recording, and the only difference would be the quality of the instrument balance, and that is down to the musicians in the band in both instances. If you cant get a decent balance in a pub without a sound engineer than you are in trouble as a gigging musician. [/quote] I take it you didn't google the Tascam DR07 before writing your response then? What about a miced kit? And the "quality" of instrument balance is pretty critical to a good sounding band...

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1477138169' post='3160081'] I'm sorry, but an unmiced bass drum does not sound boxy if you have tunes it properly. It's inly inaudible if your bass amp is turned up to stun or kill. If the drummer can't hear the vocal monitor or guitar then he is paying too loud. End of discussion. As I say, I don't see a problem with putting a band through a PA when the situation warrants it. 99.9% of the time we play it's a non-starter for practical reasons already explained. If you're listening to a band that can't control their sound ten they're not going to fix it with a PA. I've had the same argument with drummers before - my bass drum needs to sound like "X", mic it up. We are a live band not a CD recording. You can't make something sound like something else. [/quote] I'm sorry. Our opinions differ. Put a live recording up of your band... and I'll put a live recording up of my band from my Tascam DR-07