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[quote name='bassjim' timestamp='1474034896' post='3135174'] and people ask me why i have a problem using IEM!!!! Constructive suggestion 1: Play the engineer some music where you can demonstrate the type of mix you want. If he says the kit just wont do it without distorting you need to look at that. Some folks just dont get bass and how it works live as opposed to on a record so he may be taking the wrong approach eq wise? Constructive suggestion 2 : Go back to using the 50 year old tried and tested method of using an amp. I dont mean that in a flippant way either. I am seriously suggesting the band go back to using good old amplification. If you can play together using IEMs then you already have a decent level of respect for each others volumes so maybe just go back to it. You can still use the IEMs when its an absolute necessity or as well as, and you can still use the FOH either way. If our drummer used an electronic kit there would be no need for the sort of volumes that call out for multiple monitor and IEM solutions. All IMO !!!!!!!! [/quote] IEMs are easy if you have got the gear. You just need a tablet that controls your individual mix and screw everybody else ;-) Let the sound man concentrate on foh.

There's a post on here that makes for interesting reading - http://www.head-fi.org/t/802642/rev33-reduces-symptoms-of-temporary-tinnitus-and-ear-fatigue

I think ultimately one person has to own the PA but even then that's not without its problems. An example of a function band I was in - Even though I bought a kick ass PA - lets just say the desk alone was 6k, one day, the "band leader" decided that he wanted to own a PA.. So just like that, my PA became obsolete. No advance warning or anything - but it was interesting to see that he only said once all the gear he was buying was in his possession as he still wanted the use of my gear. Pretty dirty trick.

This may or may not interest you - http://basschat.co.uk/topic/291710-ultimate-ears-ue900s

Why do they insist of making stuff that looks pants - stick that in a strat and it looks like a stupid toy. Don't like the idea of no batteries - getting to a gig with it flat and you can't use it... The ease of sticking batteries in it just seems more appealing? Latency figures aren't great again though I see.

[quote name='owen' timestamp='1473517873' post='3130948'] I would not be looking for phase issues. Totally not. Nope [/quote] Hahaha! Brilliant!

[quote name='owen' timestamp='1473509436' post='3130841'] I must admit that I would be looking for some possibility of phase issues. Balaned output but mono jack going to some sort of balanced at the other end? [/quote] EW300 G2 is balanced/unbalanced XLR. (This was changed for combo jacks on G3). Im guessing an XLR is in use - the outputs on the desk are balanced XLRs - so it's going to be balanced XLR to XLR.

Are your auxes set to prefader on your desk? Again, if you are using the onboard QU fx, latency isn't going to be an issue either - the latency on the onboard a&h fx processors is significantly under 1ms. I would reset the sennheiser transmitter and receiver pack and do a clean setup just to make sure your haven't got anything out of shape on it. If you know what you are doing, limit on the desk and not the pack - the limiter on the a&h is a lot more natural than what the pack gives you. I'm a bit confused about your statement about plugging into the headphone port on the ew300 though. That's not the same as plugging straight into the aux - or are you talking about something different again? Wired mic is good - it takes the question of radio mic with long latency out of the picture completely.

[quote name='sunsse' timestamp='1473502362' post='3130744'] Regarding our bands recent issues with the lead singer not liking singing with IEMs. I followed all of your advices here and I got some advice elsewhere. What made the difference was 1. Using a wired solution instead of wireless. So this brings us to a new issue. The big problem was apparently delay that created some kind of occlusion effect that made his vocal feel distant and vague. But how do we reduce this latency with wireless? He would hate to have a cable running behind his feet all the time. The latency troubled setup is still : A&H qu 16 digital mixer console Sennheiser ew 300 g2 wireless The wired solution is just straight from mixer aux into headphones. Yes, the aux out can actually drive a pair of IEMs! [/quote] I can 100% guarantee the wireless latency aspect is not the problem. The latency on analogue wireless is negligible so I can assure you it's nothing to do with the wireless system you mention - latency on that ew300 runs at about one tenth of a millisecond. Nobody's brain is that sensitive to pick up on that sort of latency. As mentioned in the thread numerous times, latency is the reason that digital inears (at least the wireless transmission aspect of it) is not common place. Out of interest, was the desk the same with the wired setup? Did you literally swap the wireless out for wired on exactly the same setup at the same time and place? Are you running the gain too hot into the ew300? If you slam the front end, it will compress heavily and not sound great - but the screen on the unit should be illuminating red to tell you this. If you gain structure is wrong, it will sound pretty awful. I can understand it more if you were going through a load of fx which introduces latency along the line. What about the singer's mic? Is that wireless - and more importantly, is it digital? If so, what is it? I've used a qu 24 with ew300s and psm200s and psm900s. I can guarantee it's not the wireless (assuming that there is nothing wrong with your unit). In fact, I've used ew300s g2 with behringer units and mackie digital units also - again, zero problems. I don't think that it's unusual that a set of IEMs can be driven off an aux - the fischer passive solutions rely on you having a large output on the aux for you to then effectively cut using a pot on a passive belt pack. The downside if the that the impedance matching is not great - if you've bought a set of decent inears, why wouldn't you want to get the best out of them?

Ok what I would do, is get something like this - https://www.thomann.de/gb/millenium_hpa_in_ear.htm If you are not going through the desk, plug the DI out of your 350 into one side of the in ear amp. Have the other side receiving a monitor mix out of your desk (you may have to split and share a mix with somebody else in your band if you haven't got your own aux available. If you run your headphone amp in mono, you'll have a "more me" feature - which means you'll be able to use the pan pot to adjust the split between your bass and the monitor mix e.g.60%bass, 40%monitor mix. By adjusting the pan between band feed and bass feed and then setting the master volume to taste, you should be able to hear yourself a lot louder. Hope this gets you somewhere! If you are going to put your bass into the desk, obviously you would have to take an aux off the desk... granted you only have two so there would have to be a compromise to be drawn up between the band as to what the monitor feed sounds like. You may want to try this with a decent set of headphones before you go too much further. Don't make the mistake of just using some iPhone headphones... you something decent so you get some headroom and a fighting chance of getting something that can handle bass.

[quote name='bassjim' timestamp='1473247125' post='3128277'] to be fair the keys player and drummer are using them now. i still have the keys coming over from his usual backline monitor but have to admit last gig, bass sound hell aside, not once did I need to signal turn up or down to him. however...i just dont think our pa is up to putting whole band through at drummer volume though. plus no sound man means my bass tone is the least of my worries. however..............IEM for me plus my backline ....hmmmmm........just use em for these venues......hmmmmm....... need to try before i buy i think. maybe this weekends wedding gig will be enough to send me over the edge........just in case it does.....what do i need to just hook me up whilst still using my rig? just out of interest of course.... [/quote] From here - http://basschat.co.uk/topic/291361-concrete-boxagain/ What gear are you currently using Jim - as in both you and the band - and whats the lineup of instruments? What have you got to play with, just so I know what the cheapest way of getting you something good to try is. What have you got in terms of PA, specifically, the desk.. and are your PA speakers suitable for vocal only or is it something that could take the whole band? (I think I recall you saying it was a vocal only PA at some point?)

[quote name='bassjim' timestamp='1473247125' post='3128277'] to be fair the keys player and drummer are using them now. i still have the keys coming over from his usual backline monitor but have to admit last gig, bass sound hell aside, not once did I need to signal turn up or down to him. however...i just dont think our pa is up to putting whole band through at drummer volume though. plus no sound man means my bass tone is the least of my worries. however..............IEM for me plus my backline ....hmmmmm........just use em for these venues......hmmmmm....... need to try before i buy i think. maybe this weekends wedding gig will be enough to send me over the edge........just in case it does.....what do i need to just hook me up whilst still using my rig? just out of interest of course.... [/quote] Come over to this thread - http://basschat.co.uk/topic/205633-in-ear-monitors-help-needed/page__pid__3128312__st__510#entry3128312

I know of the Rev33 - I nearly bought one but not heard one - I'm a bit put off that they are tuned to the IEMs you have... which means if you change your IEMs, the Rev33 then becomes sub optimal. I know they aren't crazy money though, especially when you consider the costs of some of the IEMs that we are using. A couple of guys I know who have them swear by them though - say that their ears feel a lot less fatigued after a gig. Mind you, I don't really suffer with ear fatigue after a gig... and even if I do, it's nothing that appears to bother me! Still, would love to try one out - after all, the proof is in the eating of the pudding... or something like that.

[quote name='dood' timestamp='1473083569' post='3126706'] Around 6.5M for approximately 5 seconds lol... But the audience has doubled with re-runs.. but no one was watching me.. Or realised I was there. And I wasn't the subject of the show. So that's the same as most gigs then... [/quote] And it was in the back garden if I recall? Just read your other post - I was in the band doing for an awards ceremony doing the stings for the walk-ons. So I was playing about 20 seconds of a song at most!

[quote name='bassjim' timestamp='1473244645' post='3128244'] thanks for all your suggestions. 2 gigs coming up weekend after this are in known good venues i have done before so i know its all going to be alright then. my sanity and mojo will be hopefully restored and I can go back to advising others [/quote] Jim you really are stubborn trying to keep away from IEMs...

I been busy at soldering club again... well, not quite yet. Soldering still needs to be done... but been preparing the cable ready for the multitude of XLRs. 12 way loom for the inears rack - should tidy things up no end! 12 single XLRs is a bit cumbersome. So yes, it's been an exercise in trying to figure out how to make a professional looking loom tonight! I think there was success. So, it's now fully braided, all the heat shrink is in place... next the soldering! Got to love a project.

[quote name='Immo' timestamp='1473078629' post='3126621'] I paid 300 quid for the bass at the time the GBP was insanely low, so it costed me 1500 PLN (the pickup -SD Ligtnin' Rod - costs 600 PLN new, mind you). Painting by a pro costs 750 PLN and Warmoth replacement body in Sherwood Green + shipping costs 2000+ - 10 times the spray paint (postage included). No one in Poland would buy the body for more than 200 PLN, especially with the cracks and after the original owner had the fantasy to carve a stupid 9V battery hole under the pickguard in a random spot. EDIT: And if I had the money, I'd probably go with genuine MiJ Fender '57 RI, something like this: [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-57-RI-Fender-P-BASS-BODY-HARDWARE-Precision-Japan-Black-/381757002934?hash=item58e27d94b6:g:GIoAAOSw-kdXyavK"]http://www.ebay.co.u...IoAAOSw-kdXyavK[/url] [/quote] Ah ok - yeah, the maths don't add up! Hopefully you can get a good refin done then!

[quote name='aDx' timestamp='1473075421' post='3126568'] This has gotta be the winner!! lol [/quote] Nup - I know of one guy on here who's done 90k at Wembley...

Corporate at Battersea Evolution then I guess.

Are we counting televised performances?

OK, so the idea behind the thread... post a youtube vid with no comments. The groove needs to speak for itself. Comments about other grooves in the topic acceptable, just not when posting a groove... Go! (PS Ignore the thread rules as they aren't comments above the groove that follows....) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPpbWhsOZgQ[/media]