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[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1470567878' post='3106738'] the trouble I have with IEM is for the full mix everything has to be miced up, which is unnecessary for a pub gig, I saw a band on Friday that just used IEM in one ear, which allowed them to hear the drums etc with the other, I have asked this question before and was told it wouldn't work because you'd have to have the volume too high in the one ear, but I spoke to the band afterwards and they got on with it just fine [/quote] I would wager the band aren't clued enough to realise the damage they are doing to their ears. Using inears properly means you have no - absolutely no at all - whistling ears after a gig. I would wager this band have whistling ears after a gig in both ears, so probably don't even realise the extra damage that the overly loud inear piece has done to their one ear because it's whistling anyway. It's setups like this that cause people to say, "I tried IEMs and they are crap". No they aren't. Their implementation is crap. You know, you can mic up an average sized band with very few mics... a kick and overhead for the drums will get you an OK mix... stick a mic in front of the guitar cab and DI your bass. Everything else will be going through the PA anyway I would presume. So it's not that much of an overhead to protect your ears is it? The other thing to consider, is that bands actually sound better out front with less volume on stage and your PA doing the work - so it makes sense to mic up anyway. For example, you have a loud guitarist in a pub situation - lets say he's standing stage left. He's ripping the ears off the punters at the front in front of the cab. Meanwhile, a few people deep back in the audience, the guitar is occluded and difficult to hear properly... at the back of the pub, you can't hear the guitar at all. Due to the highly directional nature of guitar cabs, all the audience that are stage right can't hear much anyway. Best thing to do, is mic it up and let the PA do the work - voila, everybody can hear clearly and the mix stands a much better chance of sounding decent no matter where in the audience you are standing. Result? The band sounds better, you have a situation where you can set up a decent inear monitoring situation and your ears are likely to be healthier for longer. Lets not also forget that a band with IEMs is a lot, lot less likely to suffer with feedback problems that tends to be common place with pub bands. Nobody likes that sh*t.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1470566373' post='3106717'] When I saw him recently he was using an SL410 and th500. I joked that I could have let him have a Aguilar DB rig and he said that would have saved him the carry. So I think that sort of thing is a factor. [/quote] You and DB lol.

I was there last night. Great shows. Was great to see Ian Thomas drumming in the warm up act also. I think the great sound at Ronnie's is a lot to do with the fact that Ronnie's runs a crash hot PA (digico into d&b - the latter probably on permanent loan from JTUk) Stage sound was really low (even Frankie was keeping it fairly low last night) with the DI into front of house and obv fold back into the wedges. Why would you care about Ashdown and TC cabs when you have one of those wedges pointing at you? And above all, being Paul Turner probably helps.

Sweet sounding bass, nice.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1470313506' post='3105006'] Would this be better aimed at the PA market? A 64 core snake would be lighter than the usual copper balanced one, and more relevant for your application. [/quote] I originally thought that too - although I suspect that ship has set sail already. Any company wanting that sort of channel count is going to be in the realm of digital - so a couple of cat5s does the job - at a significantly cheaper price also.

Thanks for joining us! You wouldn't get this level of techy conversation on a guitarist forum would you?

I do hope somebody spawns a sister thread about how copper cables work...

[quote name='SisterAbdullahX' timestamp='1470248738' post='3104501'] Bass Strings Online is your friend! And they sell DRs individually, if you want to customise gauges. Custom set of Fat Beams for a little over 20 quid! Even with postage and tax it still beats the crap out of any UK retailer's prices. [/quote] Can't see HiBeams individually :-(

Hi Jim - give some Hi Beams a go. I know they are expensive but for me at least, they keep their brightness far longer than Rotos. So where I was changing my strings regularly - I don't need to so much now so the difference in cost is now insignificant. I'm yet to find a string that I like more! Dunlop Super brights - I'm with you on those too!

I think what you are asking is... Does it djent?

Talking of DRs, I've just bought some DR coated strings for a telecaster that I am doing up. The guy normally uses Elixirs... So we shall see if he notices any difference.

[quote name='4stringslow' timestamp='1470143139' post='3103547'] Yes, I've often wondered why XLR connectors have not been more popular for guitar leads. A balanced connection would have many noise/interference advantages and the possibility of phantom powering could eliminate the need for batteries in active guitars. [/quote] You can get phantom power on a standard stereo Jack to jack.

Re : battery-less version Phantom power for Xlr leads I guess - but doesn't that go against the whole idea of getting rid of copper cable?

[quote name='NancyJohnson' timestamp='1470058282' post='3102953'] I've never used IEMs; in general I've just used my good ol' ears(!), which together with a combination of backline, monitors and live drums has worked pretty well for the last three decades or so. Sure, there's been the odd instance where things may have gone a tad awry using this combination, but it's generally been in a situation where things are stacked against us (like last night), but we know our material backwards, are experienced enough to make the best of things and will grind through the set. We, like many bands, play small venues where the sound guy is simply there to cover vocals, plus the bass and snare drums, so there's no logic in saying that IEMs would have resolved anything last night. I'm not pooping on IEMs in the slightest (I was citing my experience from last night only), but horses for courses as they say. [/quote] Fair enough! PS know your songs backwards so you can even play them in the wrong key! :-p

[quote name='NancyJohnson' timestamp='1470040643' post='3102786'] I haven't read the whole thread here, but from the perspective of gigging without an amp (or rig) is a definite no no from me. Last night we were the opener at a gig in Reading. Four bands. I'd been assured the headliners would be providing the cabinetry to aid a quicker turnaround between bands, so (in hindsight, stupidly), I left my 4x10 at home. Consequently, I ended up running a Sansamp RBI direct into the PA and frankly, it was a disaster. Although I was assured by people watching us said it sounded OK front of house, I know for a fact that I played a good chunk of one song in the wrong key as I simply couldn't hear what I was playing and I failed to notice I was two frets higher on the neck than I should have been. I can't actually see how IEMs would have improved the situation either as I would only have been monitoring myself as the venue (and I suppose most of the venues we play too) wouldn't have had any kind of way to facilitate IEMs. [/quote] Iems wouldn't help? No aux sends on the desk then? There's plenty of original acts I know that give the sound guy a transmitter and ask them for a mix. With all due respect, this is one of the problems with IEMs - they are poo pooed before being given a proper chance. Either cheap headphones, cheap radio gear or a crappy mix is usually all newcomers have as a benchmark.

[quote name='SubsonicSimpleton' timestamp='1470052142' post='3102880'] Looking at some of the youtube comments, the designers are predicting 18hrs battery life which is IMHO abysmal considering the lifespan of a PP9 in most active circuits. [/quote] The battery is the main problem why it won't be adopted on big stages. Your grade wireless packs have nice little cradles to charge them in. How many roadies could be arsed with the battery regime?

[quote name='amnesia' timestamp='1470051690' post='3102876'] Snake oil for me - take this quote from the website... "[font=Roboto, sans-serif][size=4]boasts durability and quality to attract the [color=#ff0000]high end niche market[/color]."[/size][/font] Someone said its a "solution looking for a problem" and I agree - but that was my opinion on the iPad and look what happened there! They need a proof reader and not just a spell checker on their website too. Mistake in the first paragraph on the About Us page. Scratch that - they need a writer. [/quote] I'm still scratching my head about the iWatch

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1470036216' post='3102738'] So the dragons can be fooled then It's also interesting than none of the successful dragons spent there time buggering around with guitars during their lives , might be one of the keys to success. [/quote] Definitely!

The inventor of this must have been really unlucky/careless with cables to come up with this. The only solution where I think this would be useful would be for very long run snakes... but I suspect they are two late to catch that bus as things like MADI and Dante over Cat5/6 must be preferable and of course, those technologies aren't limited to a single audio channel per run of cable. I don't get it - it's clearly for rich people that go into music shops and must buy the latest tech. As for he Coldplay thing - anybody reckon he is a personal friend of the inventor?

Psst. http://www.iconicsound.com

[quote name='MacDaddy' timestamp='1469870142' post='3101568'] Am I alone in enjoying the trouser flapping goodness on stage through my bass cab? I would love the convenience of not having to take it, but can IEMs give the full body bass experience? [/quote] The point is, there is no trouser flapping. There's the feeling of your ears getting absolutely ragged - which if that is your aim, a set of IEMs running stupidly loud would win anyway... and then there is the feeling or resonance and stray vibrations around your cab... like the floor shaking on crappy stages or example - if that is what you are craving, you may want to check out a pleasure board or the offerings from porter and davis.

Just out of interest, what is your bass rig?

[quote name='mrtcat' timestamp='1469799965' post='3101157'] Don't get me wrong, size of sound and volume isn't an issue at all. [/quote] What's going down then? The case that it sound so different to what you are used to hearing coming out of your amp? Your setup should sound huge (which is a good thing)

Update on the Apex/Adel situ. The Apex and Adel are different modules apparently with the former offering greater isolation and improvements over the latter. I don't know what's going on but it's pretty pants that 64 kept this one quiet whilst still accepting orders for the Adel knowing this to be the case. Anyway, there's a YouTube video showing the Apex. Wondering if this is some break away from Asius or something else legal based.

[quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1469778479' post='3100948'] Likewise I dont see any problem at all using the DI from a good amp as long as you avoid extreme EQ settings such as massively boosted lows and/or cut mids. Most likely if it sounds good in IEMs it will sound decent FOH since they will have a similar frequency range and response. Its more of problem when you have a highly voiced cab where your tone settings for that likely wont work so well FOH. [/quote] Agreed - I suspect I may open a can of worms here.... - but pre-eq to your desk from your amp is fine. It doesn't matter what EQ you choose to use on an amp then. In fact, the sound coming out of your speakers when using IEMs is a bit of a moot point as you shouldn't be hearing it directly anyway. What you say about the IEM sound I don't necessarily agree with though. The treble response of your inears maybe be a little more excitable than front of house... and certainly, if you are boasting big subwoofers front of house, you may find that the bass response in your ears a little lacking.