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[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1470036216' post='3102738'] So the dragons can be fooled then It's also interesting than none of the successful dragons spent there time buggering around with guitars during their lives , might be one of the keys to success. [/quote] Definitely!

The inventor of this must have been really unlucky/careless with cables to come up with this. The only solution where I think this would be useful would be for very long run snakes... but I suspect they are two late to catch that bus as things like MADI and Dante over Cat5/6 must be preferable and of course, those technologies aren't limited to a single audio channel per run of cable. I don't get it - it's clearly for rich people that go into music shops and must buy the latest tech. As for he Coldplay thing - anybody reckon he is a personal friend of the inventor?

Psst. http://www.iconicsound.com

[quote name='MacDaddy' timestamp='1469870142' post='3101568'] Am I alone in enjoying the trouser flapping goodness on stage through my bass cab? I would love the convenience of not having to take it, but can IEMs give the full body bass experience? [/quote] The point is, there is no trouser flapping. There's the feeling of your ears getting absolutely ragged - which if that is your aim, a set of IEMs running stupidly loud would win anyway... and then there is the feeling or resonance and stray vibrations around your cab... like the floor shaking on crappy stages or example - if that is what you are craving, you may want to check out a pleasure board or the offerings from porter and davis.

Just out of interest, what is your bass rig?

[quote name='mrtcat' timestamp='1469799965' post='3101157'] Don't get me wrong, size of sound and volume isn't an issue at all. [/quote] What's going down then? The case that it sound so different to what you are used to hearing coming out of your amp? Your setup should sound huge (which is a good thing)

Update on the Apex/Adel situ. The Apex and Adel are different modules apparently with the former offering greater isolation and improvements over the latter. I don't know what's going on but it's pretty pants that 64 kept this one quiet whilst still accepting orders for the Adel knowing this to be the case. Anyway, there's a YouTube video showing the Apex. Wondering if this is some break away from Asius or something else legal based.

[quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1469778479' post='3100948'] Likewise I dont see any problem at all using the DI from a good amp as long as you avoid extreme EQ settings such as massively boosted lows and/or cut mids. Most likely if it sounds good in IEMs it will sound decent FOH since they will have a similar frequency range and response. Its more of problem when you have a highly voiced cab where your tone settings for that likely wont work so well FOH. [/quote] Agreed - I suspect I may open a can of worms here.... - but pre-eq to your desk from your amp is fine. It doesn't matter what EQ you choose to use on an amp then. In fact, the sound coming out of your speakers when using IEMs is a bit of a moot point as you shouldn't be hearing it directly anyway. What you say about the IEM sound I don't necessarily agree with though. The treble response of your inears maybe be a little more excitable than front of house... and certainly, if you are boasting big subwoofers front of house, you may find that the bass response in your ears a little lacking.

[quote name='mrtcat' timestamp='1469777480' post='3100942'] RCF 745s and RCF905s. The gear is more capable than me for sure when it comes to good tone. [/quote] I'm very, very surprised you can't make that setup work. You're the guy with four 905s aren't you?

[quote name='FuNkShUi' timestamp='1469777291' post='3100940'] Tom uses the Behringer X18 too i think? [/quote] So tone shaping shouldn't be a problem. What about PA cabs?

[quote name='mrtcat' timestamp='1469731511' post='3100753'] I'm really into the idea of going IEM and no amp but as the person who does our engineering on gigs I never seem to be able to get a bass sound through foh that sounds as nice and tight as through my amp. I really really wish I could. [/quote] What PA are you using?

[quote name='owen' timestamp='1469717885' post='3100612'] Thanks for these. I was hoping for ones which would accept either 215s or noise reduction filters depending on the circumstances. [/quote] They may do - best to ask - I know that ACS universal single driver fits into their moulds - which also houses a standard size filter. Given the fact that their universal single driver also takes standard fit tips, it should figure that their moulds should take a 215 as 215s take standard tips also.

I think that you are misreading the aggressive attitude, there is certainly no aggression coming from my end. I am simply questioning your use of a DI to the quality of the REDDI and I would hope that you would be able to put forward a strong enough case to convince me why I should be using a REDDI myself, especially as my setup revolves around in-depth IEM mixes, no amp and relying on a killer FOH. As for the OP requirements, it was me that has actually been providing the advice that has got the OP to the point where he is now. Anyway, I have not used a REDDI but I have used other comparable DIs in my time. For a recording situation, I completely get it... but for a live situation, unless you are taking a live feed for recording, I don't see the benefit of using such an expensive DI. A gig is never in a sonically perfect environment compared to say, an audiophiles listening room or even a pair of high end headphones (I'm thinking Audeze LCD3 when I say this) that are being used to listen to prerecorded material - hence you are always starting at a disadvantage. The PA is never going to have the same sort of performance as a modest hifi setup... so you are at another disadvantage there... so I would say a decent desk with sufficient processing is good enough for a live situation and a REDDI isn't going to make a night and day difference to justify it's use... unless you can convince me otherwise. I think my key point is, that there is a lot more you can do to improve the sound in a live situation before considering such an expensive DI. </aggression>

[quote name='gillento' timestamp='1469704087' post='3100432'] I know that the sound in my inears is coming from a monitor desk onstage, with a signal split before it hits the stage snake [/quote] OK - and the REDDI and crucially your mix from the monitor desk are both in the signal chain before that sound gets to your ears. I don't get what you are saying?

[quote name='gillento' timestamp='1469703315' post='3100422'] I am not being funny at all. It plaec mine for the last 5 years in every studio session and on every live gig. It just makes the sound better. There's something especially on the higher notes that makes them sound fatter and warmer. I leave the final tone shaping to the FOH guy and do minor tweaks using a RMI/Lehle Basswitch in front of the REDDI. [/quote] Have you A/Bed? And if there's a FOH guy messing with your sound, how do you know your tone is down to the REDDI or the FOH guy?

[quote name='gillento' timestamp='1469702821' post='3100414'] I'd use a A-Designs REDDI straight into the FOH [/quote] Not being funny - but why? The tone shaping on a digital desk is far more powerful than your average preamp. I could understand in a recording situation too.., but in a live situation, the ability to sense any discernible difference between a generic DI and a REDDI would be pretty difficult. I'd be interested in knowing why you would pursue a REDDI?

[quote name='roceci' timestamp='1469700098' post='3100379'] Right that's it, I'm taking deps for every position to every gig from now on regardless of whether a regular member is absent or not. & maybe even deps for deps. Multiple heart failure or dyssentry could strike at any time. You just never know. [/quote] For those wedding gigs, don't forget to include a stand in bride and groom.

[quote name='owen' timestamp='1469699765' post='3100375'] Sorry in advance if this has been covered, but does anyone have a source for custom moulds which will take either SE215s or normal filters, depending on what is needed at the time? My son is a drummer and we all know what that can do to his ears. He has a pair of 215s but I want to get him a set of moulded plugs. If he could plop the 215s in as in-ears it would make sense for now. TIA. [/quote] http://www.custom-inearmonitors.co.uk/iems/custom-fit-earphone-sleeves.php http://acscustom.com/uk/product-category/hearing-protection/

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1469697476' post='3100344'] I can't understand why people think a modern PA with powered speakers is more of a liability than a conventional PA, worst case scenario we could use amps as back line, lead vocals straight into a powered wedge pointing at the audience and finish the gig with the damaged speakers. [/quote] You know, I was thinking about this statement - I can't actually recall a single instance where I have been at a gig, playing or otherwise, where a PA has failed. I've witnessed plenty of guitar and bass amp deaths though... and countless pedal board failures! Just how common is a PA failure nowadays?

[quote name='Muzz' timestamp='1469694618' post='3100312'] Yeah, we play a range of gigs, from acoustic duo and trio to three and four piece setups, some with keyboards, some not, so we use more or less PA depending. We also use a range of deps, and getting everyone on board and sorted out can be more hassle than it's frankly worth. With a stable band lineup (hah!) and a more fixed infrastructure it'd be great, but that's just not where we (I) am at the moment. To reiterate, though, it's a great way to play, and if you can get the technology ducks in a row, it's very good indeed. [/quote] Funnily enough, I depped with a band two weekends ago and I turned up and I was handed a Fischer headphone amp and a pair of 215s. Not really keen on used 215s but I used my inears with the headphone amp and it sounded great. A couple of weeks before that, I depped for a band that I hadn't even met before and they had invested in 4 PSM200s... the bass player simply left me his wireless pack to use for the gig... I think if it's seen as a component of the PA (a monitor replacement) IEMs are set to become more popular. My inears rig for example (housed in a shallow 6u rack case) - replaces 12 monitor wedges.

So 64 Audio's Adel is now named Apex. Wonder why that is? Maybe as they are probably paying handsomely for the license, they want to get away from the Asius branding and push the technology under their own name?

[quote name='FuNkShUi' timestamp='1469653941' post='3100153'] I'm by no means an authority on this though. Check out the thread that's about 17 pages long titled "in ear monitors, help needed..." Or something along those lines. Plenty of good info and options in there! [/quote] Link to thread - http://basschat.co.uk/topic/205633-in-ear-monitors-help-needed/ I know it's a long read - but well worthwhile. It'll give you a great idea of exactly what's possible.

[quote name='Twincam' timestamp='1469633666' post='3099930'] Yeah the first bit is obvious. [/quote] You say that but you would be surprised at home many people think IEMs are for vocal only and spend their life turning up their backline or wear one IEM in and one IEM out. So yes, obvious to some, far from obvious for others. [quote] The second bit is not always a fact there's loads of great sounding bands that have plenty of on stage volume. I understand the concept but it just seems wrong. I know things are pretty reliable but what if something goes wrong, what if you find you monitoring goes down, what if the pa goes down and your in a situation where a backline could of got you through a gig? Etc etc I just think its a back up and as equipment is getting lighter its not so much of a pain. And you can always turn your backline down if its messing with the sound out front. So imo yeah you don't need an amp at all but might you need one maybe and bands with nothing on the stage look so boring lol. [/quote] There are lots of great sounding bands with plenty of stage volume. There are more than the fair share of bands which sound crap with plenty of stage volume. I would wager the chances of a front of house mix sounding great would be greatly improved with less volume and consequently less bleed across mics, whether they be vocal mics or instrument mics. You'll have a lot less problems with feedback too. The what ifs are applicable to any situation. How many people carry around a spare PA - just in case it goes down? No PA, you've got no vocals... and with no vocals, you have no gig anyway. As for the monitoring going down... well, you can get a cable and headphone amp for less than £40. You can get that setup. I reckon I could buy a few of those for less than a price of an amp if I was that paranoid. If I needed to scrape through a gig, I could but say a spare set of shure 215s or even use some iPhone headphones. It may not be perfect but it would get me through the gig. To poo poo the idea of IEM is a bit of a dinosaur view on the way that gigging is going. Yes, theres plenty of guys that refuse to embrace IEM - that's fine. Nobody is twisting anybody's arm. And do amps on stage really matter to anybody apart from gear stalkers? If the audience are getting bored... it's not because of a lack of backline to look at.

[quote name='Twincam' timestamp='1469632549' post='3099914'] Is there a reason you wouldn't want an amp? Even something small but half capable. Seems with all these tiny heads and lightweight cabs its not a massive hassle having a lightweight setup too. Why not have both? in ear monitors and a little rig. [/quote] Because with decent fitting inears you wouldn't hear your rig anyway. Less sound on stage = cleaner mix out front.

[quote name='FuNkShUi' timestamp='1469623214' post='3099792'] Well i have nothing to compare the UE900s to really, apart from standard headphones. Which isnt really fair. But i was impressed! Really impressed. To be fair the seal is good, 90% of the time. Just now and again when i go to speak or sing etc, i lose the seal. Cant complain at all really, just being picky (and justifying the custom moulds ) Yeh i would have thought you're right regarding the pre amp on the X18. I think it will take a bit of research, and trying a few things out. It's all good though, i look forward to all the experimentation with my new bit of kit [/quote] If you try your standard phone headphones (e.g. those apple phones that people seem to rate) in the band situation, you should discover their shortcomings pretty quickly - particularly if you are running uncompressed bass. When singing - yeah, that's a problem for some people too - if you go custom, make sure you go for an open mouth impression if you are the lead singer - or semi open impression if you are a backing vocalist. Justification of the customs is fully understandable - I just don't think you can get anywhere near the seal of customs with universals. Experimentation is key - get to grasps with what you have got before spending anything - especially things like Avalons!