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[quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1464854649' post='3063108'] I'm not saying TC will shift more units than those other super-celeb-bassists, I'm just saying the guy is known for being a tone fiend, and IMO he's never had a bad tone, unlike all those other guys [/quote] But tone is completely subjective. If somebody said they hate TCs tone but love MK's tone, who are you to say otherwise? The equipment shifted due to the latter is in far greater quantities than the former... and isn't that what endorsement is about? Shifting boxes? I like Anthony Jackson' s tone - I suspect he hasn't been instrumental shifting many Meyer boxes though...

[quote name='Japhet' timestamp='1464853887' post='3063097'] But.....but.....but what about GAS and the eternal search for sonic nirvana? I played through PA only once at a festival and felt naked! Hated it. [/quote] Google JH Audio, Ultimate Ears, 1964 ears... Should help you along. And some proper PA that pins you to the back wall should get the juices flowing.

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1464853852' post='3063095'] 'Widely regarded' by people who know who he is, anyway. [/quote] Don't worry - he'll be on the front page of BGM with whoever the lead singer of whatever band it is that he is in soon - so everybody will know who he is.

[quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1464853120' post='3063087'] All great musicians but they're not known for their tone specifically IMO. All those guys are pretty inconsistent with tone anyway aren't they? That's what I mean - whether or not Tim C is a virtuoso bassist or whether or not you like his music, I'm pretty sure it's a fact that he's widely regarded as a bit of a "tone wizard" on the bass. [/quote] I don't know - I think Mark King alone had been responsible for selling a lot of whatever basses and amps he is using at the time because people are trying to cop his sound. How many times have we read about the Wal vs Stingray argument for Flea? I'm not sure you can write those players off in a single statement like that. Both of those players will sell more gear through their use of gear than TC for sure. God only knows how many Hofners and Rickys Macca has been responsible for selling.

Re backup Isn't this true of anything though... If your PA goes down, how are you gonna hear the singer?

[quote name='lowhand_mike' timestamp='1464813715' post='3062888'] we go through the pa post eq if we are doing a larger gig but most is vocals and maybe a bit of drums (mostly kick) through the pa for normal gigs. we have been trying IEMs but i'm not keen yet but that may just be getting the settings right. Would i do away with my rig behind me? i dont think so, feeling the bass as well as hearing it is just as important and if it only going through front of house then i'm not going to feel it. Just my opinion of course [/quote] Feeling bass all depends what you are running foh. There are ways of getting the feeling of bass back if you find it lacking - by using things like a pleasure board. If you want some pointers, there's an excellent thead in the Misc section of the forum.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1464808017' post='3062825'] Are you saying Macca's tone isn't good? No wonder The Beatles didn't sell any records. [/quote] I didn't say anything of the sort. Maccas tone is highly appropriate for what he does.

[quote name='sunburstjazz1967' timestamp='1464798333' post='3062683'] McCartney, King, Flea, Sting, that u2 bloke that would play through a Saisho tape player from the 80s if you put his squiggle on it? [/quote] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Also... I would like all those that googled the above names upon reading this thread to put their hands up... :-p[/font][/color]

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1464799104' post='3062696'] Nah, as we all know Macca likes a nice 'woolly' tone so is an Ashdown fanboi. [/quote] Lets not forget that Macca uses a Hofner with flats. I don't think anything but 'woolly' is an option.

Yes. PA provides front of house. IEMs provide my monitoring however. I split the input to channels on the digital desk so I can EQ for my inears and EQ for front of house. I sometimes use a Microbass 2 before the desk... but have found the tone shaping on the desk usually enough to give me exactly what I want as the EQ is a lot more powerful than any analogue solution. It's only if you are into running drive, fx loops etc, that I would say a preamp before the desk would be useful. Otherwise, if you are a plug straight in kinda guy, than just plug straight into the desk. I would wager that nobody would be any the wiser if you were using your Avalon or not. Sack off the Avalon and buy some proper IEM inears, moulded preferably. My preference now is certainly big PA (think two full range tops and subs - or at least top end 15s) and as little backline as possible. Your band will sound better if you let your PA do the work. How many gigs have we been to in smaller venues where if you stand at the front, the guitarist takes your head off... yet if you stand at the back of the room, you can't even hear the guitar as the bodies of people are doing a great job of absorbing it all? Well, let your PA do the work - problem disappears.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1464794255' post='3062635'] I notice one or two members who usually like to chime in on a Barefaced thread are here conspicuous by their absence. [/quote] I hope you aren't referring to me! Sorry for the lack of input today, I'm still trying to figure out when a 4x10 is not a 4x10 -I don't think the addition of a LPF on one column is going to cause a stir in any patents office. And to be fair, I usually stay out of bf threads nowadays. It's all been done before... a bit like 1x10s, 2x10s, 4x10s, 8x10s...

[quote name='SwamiRob' timestamp='1464762548' post='3062192'] Anyone got any suggestions for affordable but not awful patch leads? I'm only using 5 cos my board is just 3 pedals linked together for an elaborate always on overdrive sound, however if they're 10 each I'm not sure I can manage that at the moment. [/quote] Stick with what you have until you can afford to replace them. (Unless of course, they are already knackered!)

[quote name='sunburstjazz1967' timestamp='1464699122' post='3061524'] Oh yes very nice. Those 745s on their own would kill most bass rigs but people are obsessed with having their own big rig to stand next to! [/quote] You wouldn't even need any monitors would you? Or is that fishful thinking?

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1464732136' post='3062068'] There's nothing traditional about those cabs except for the shapes. [/quote] Now you're just baiting lol!

Just in case it was missed - "Having said all that, congrats to Alex for landing TC. That's got to be an exciting prospect" - me. I doff my cap for the landing of such a player. I don't know who'd be jealous - apart from another cab manufacturer? I certainly don't care what TC is playing through and have no vested interest.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1464728409' post='3062003'] I think you're clutching at straws now. [/quote] I couldn't care less what you think!

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1464727875' post='3061997'] I said 'second' One10. It's the done thing I've already done. And I did it before that anyway, twice. [/quote] Good for you. You may find a rig you like yet!

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1464727828' post='3061996'] Are you saying that if he didn't pay full retail it doesn't count? [/quote] It is important in my opinion. If an artist is prepared to pay full retail price, that shows true belief in the products that they are using.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1464727316' post='3061984'] [size=5]To hell with it, I WILL buy that second One10!! [/size] [/quote] Do it! You are a BC member right? It's the done thing!

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1464727220' post='3061981'] *Looks nervously around the room* [/quote] :-p We know who our next BGM cover artist is then...

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1464725952' post='3061955'] Wow, great news! Congratulations, Alex!! Wait a minute... Didn't someone on this forum say that internationally-famous professional bass players won't have heard of Barefaced and would never buy their gear even if they had? And that most Barefaced customers were actually BassChat members??* *Yes, they did. Just to be clear. [/quote] Let's focus on the "most" word in that sentence. Anybody would think Ampeg has just lost their whole artist roster! Also... I would like all those that googled TC's name upon reading this thread to put their hands up... :-p Did TC buy this rig? And if he did, did he pay full retail?

[quote name='warwickhunt' timestamp='1464712703' post='3061730'] I'm confused; so he's playing through the industry standard 8x10... that is an Ampeg rig isn't it? [/quote] Indeed - so the biggest endorsement to date is based on 10s - which Alex originally said were fundamentally flawed! OK - only one column is producing treble to mimic that of a PA line array - but going from the mics, the sandman couldn't careless about that! Having said all that, congrats to Alex for landing TC. That's got to be an exciting prospect.

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1464712955' post='3061731'] A better test would probably be a gig. Any benefits in the dynamic (imagined or otherwise!) would probably be lost in a half-empty room. Personally speaking, I'm under no illusion - the whole concept of 'heft' is lost on the audience. It's about the tactile feedback of standing in front of your cab, feeling the notes. [/quote] Completely agree. Indeed - the feedback you get from playing your bass and what comes out of the speaker next to you, doesn't track with the audience because they aren't involved in the playing aspect.

[quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1464716949' post='3061804'] I guess he's running some sort of wet/dry or clean/dirty multiple signal path setup? [/quote] Indeed he does. He also uses in-ears. Probably just as well given the amount of sound moving in his vicinity.

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1464716606' post='3061797'] I ordered a second One10 the other day. Now I'm feeling inadequate. [/quote] Don't forget the JBLs too!