EBS_freak

https://retropopmagazine.com/keisha-buchanan-regains-sugababes-name/

Is he either of those?

I feel your marketing material isn’t really selling the features of this product well given the questions being asked here.

Just looking at those playing in the videos I've posted, I can tell they got some moves. Don't recognise any of them... but the bass player and drummer defo taking it to church!

Yeah, cooking band. With original line up. Nice.

I saw them first time round - yup. Some very capable musos. I couldn't say nowadays - I don't even know who backs them nowadays.

In other news, I've just started a tribute... and for once, I can be hyper realistic on the sound alike front.

This is my fave clip so far - He's done his fans up like a kipper. Just looking at the other bands there, the ticket price seems to be the going rate... that rate will get you the likes of Happy Mondays, The Saw Doctors, James Bay, Placebo... hell even the Sugababes (and I bet they have a band with them (that may or may not be miming))

Nice tone. What you got going on processing well. Its sounds nice and full. Plummy!

This is the key difference of this product - enhanced functionality that lets you ditch the laptop. Whether it will do as complex as Logic.. well, that Yup, you can get another MIDI sequencer pedal (already mentioned but I won't mention again as that's not the product in question) - but it's not a doddle to program - in the fact that if you need to make a small change on the gig, you need to get your laptop out. It falls down on the UI aspect. With LFO, yup, you can do that in logic - but then again, you are carrying around a laptop (not a big issue if theres a laptop already present in your setup) but a bit of a ballache just for supporting a LFO. And whilst yeah, you could say knock up some code to do the sequencing and LFO on say an Arduino, it's the ability to edit again which is the ballache. The big point about the midium is the fact that it's bringing this UI into the unit to help with the ease of operation. Alot of MIDI products - require you to mess about with a PC/MAC editor... (which is still preferable if you are doing a lot of deep editing) - but simple changes on the device are nice to be able to do. And thats where the UI is so important. Who can remember Chunk's Synth pedal - what a complete failure of an onboard editing UI!

As above, I’ll agree to differ.

Ah so you are talking niche!

We shall agree to differ on code approaches! And anybody that says they do not code bugs is full of it.

What I am proposing is not unusual. If you can't easily stub out code, you are doing something wrong in your code. There is no two versions. There is no twice the testing. It's the same functions in the code... they are present... just not able to be called due to a flag in the code saying that it can't be code, or shouldn't be rendered. If the vendor is stating that they would have to support two sets of code, I would also be questioning their coding practices! (But am sensing that @Quatschmacherisn't the coder in all of this. And PS, this is all meant to be helpful, not sh 1 tting on the product. I'm just highlighting the stuff that may cause the unit to fail in a very niche market.

No negativity - just highlighting that it's a very niche product that is being pitched in an environment that has very few users requiring this tech. There are some massive considerations in play here - Think about it, this product needs to be targeting users of fx. Not all bass players use fx. From those users, those users need to be using mostly, but preferably all digital fx (you could have analogue fx in play but they would be limited to being on MIDI switch relays - you can't really make use of the USP features of the midium to make it worth while) From those users of digital fx, you have to tap into those users that are interested in remote controlling all the presets or making use of the deeper features of those pedals to warrant getting the unit. Even if you get this far, that target user has to be wanting to shell out in excess of the cost of a Helix stomp to achieve it. And even then, you are taking a chance on a new product... they could be dead be and gone as quickly as they have come to market. Any bugs in the code, if the company flops, you haven't got any support to have them fixed. And when it comes to complex systems like this, there will be bugs.

I haven't got a problem with the connector if it's part of a pedal board. If it's on the device on the floor, not in a prewired pedal board, then there is a vulnerable connection as one of the apes that you are sharing the stage with gets the cable wrapped around their show.

There is no two versions of code. Its the same version of code - just the functions that you are able to be called are disabled until they are unlocked via license/firmware update... ...like cars. Most computer intensive modern cars have now standardised the hardware and are locking out features in software. A case determining which functions are available are determined by which license is running... or which functions are active in a code manifest.

So 1 member of basschat…!

Same hardware - and then the chance to upsell as a user becomes more demanding on the units use… or a second owner can generate a revenue stream in its second lifetime. The majority of costs here will have been in the sw development. The lite version appropriately costed would give the opportunity to lower the price to compete with the existing market offerings maybe? Cater for the masses and all that. This model worked well for the XDeep dive computer. Meant they could sell a bottom timer, upgradeable to an air computer, upgradeable to a nitrox computer. All was going well until the manufacturer of the OLED screen stopped making it.

Why don’t you offer a lite and full fat (achievable with firmware update)

Sounds like you’ve got it in hand then. Basschat would appear to not be your target audience.

@Quatschmacher- your first problem is that folk don't understand the differences between what this unit can do compared to the (non) competition. If people don't get that... the product is dead in the water. Maybe you need to revisit your marketing.

I don't want to give the game away... but if I said, LVGL board, I suspect I know what's in it.

Somewhere between 1 and 1.5k then? I'm thinking about this - manufacturing in low numbers isn't cheap. The cost saving to the end user is down to code I guess (although there needs to be a ROI for coding time). Any insight as to what this device has been coded in? The onboard interface is a big part of this... I mean, the sequencer element, you could get a Pilot Wave MIDI Sequenzer - but that's 16 steps and requires you to get your PC out to do configure anything with it. That's a gizmo that is already over 200 quid. Anyway, good luck with it all. interesting piece of kit! All that LFO control and sequencing will open up some interesting palettes!

I do think this is a very cool controller. But it's very niche. Certainly, the ability to program stuff without a computer is a very big plus - but if you are getting into those sort of complexities, you are probably going into the realms of having something else doing all this sort of control for you. That may scare a load of people off though... Like BigRedX, I would have concerns about putting something of great value on the floor, especially with a big screen on the front of it. I'd certainly want a screen protector over it when in gig mode to prevent at least stuff breaking the screen if there is something accidentally dropped. And yeah, I'm not a fan of button placements in anything but a big line. I dont even like upper and lower buttons unless the upper buttons are buttons which wouldn't normally be pressed in the middle of a song. As for the power, it wouldn't bother me as much if it's on a pedal board. If it's the only item on the floor that is then controlling a load of outboard... then yeah, I would have wanted something a bit more secure than a DC barrel - IEC or Powercon preferably. I would wager that the price of this unit, given the ability to generate LFOs and sequences... and get into some really deep editing etc... I'd say at least 2k. Am I right? And as I say, it's niche - so if somebody wants it, they'll want it. I can't think of anything else off the top of my head which does what this does. A RJM GT10 is what, 1700 euros? Doesn't do what this thing can do. LFO and sequence aspect - in a controller, well, that's where it's got everything else that I can think of... licked. Whether that is a feature that is wanted by a load of people... well... who knows?