EBS_freak

Small and Light - Mesa D800

Well, I think he's being a bit shellfish. We all want to hear about the Tickled Trout.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1453981642' post='2964865'] I'm sure he could tackle it if he's practised his scales. [/quote] Maybe we can lure him back into the thread to confirm this line of thinking.

Now you're just baiting.

I thought the thread was a bit carp to begin with, however I'm beginning to look at it at a different angler and in hindsight, there's always a plaice for threads like this.

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Heh! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1344766/Terry-Allen-Lester-arrested-making-sex-toy-bomb-ex-lover-Christmas.html

Exploding Dildos? Is that what Tom Jones was referring to when he sang about Sex Bombs?

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1453821727' post='2963109'] I'm pretty sure punters can't tell the difference between the sound of a bass guitar and an explosion in a dildo factory. [/quote] i'm trying to imagine what the latter sounds like.

[quote name='JohnFitzgerald' timestamp='1453836170' post='2963316'] Monitor setup at my next gig, should do fine. (I'm doing a grand total of 6 gigs this year, but they all really count.) I've copied this straight off the venue page. :-) And yes, I've done loads of backline only, squeezed into a corner type gigs. After a lifetime of this crap, I'm entitled to gloat at a shot at a proper venue. Don't worry, I won't get carried away. [color=#1A1A1A][font=Verdana][size=3]1 x Midas Sienna 480, 48 Ch[/size][/font][/color] [color=#1A1A1A][font=Verdana][size=3]5 x XTA GQ600 Graphic EQ[/size][/font][/color] [color=#1A1A1A][font=Verdana][size=3]1 x T.C. Electronics M-one [/size][/font][/color] [color=#1A1A1A][font=Verdana][size=3]2 x Drawmer DS201XLR Dual Gate[/size][/font][/color] [color=#1A1A1A][font=Verdana][size=3]3 x Drawmer DL241XLR Dual Compressor[/size][/font][/color] [color=#1A1A1A][font=Verdana][size=3]1 x XTA C2 Dual Compressor[/size][/font][/color] [color=#1A1A1A][font=Verdana][size=3]9 x Crown MA24 Amps[/size][/font][/color] [color=#1A1A1A][font=Verdana][size=3]10 x Logic Systems CM20 Active Wedges[/size][/font][/color] [color=#1A1A1A][font=Verdana][size=3]2 x Logic systems Side Fills[/size][/font][/color] [color=#1A1A1A][font=Verdana][size=3]2 x Side Fill Rack Amps[/size][/font][/color] [color=#1A1A1A][font=Verdana][size=3]1 x BSS Omni Drive System Processor[/size][/font][/color] [/quote] Ah! So you're playing the Tickled Trout too?

[quote name='mrtcat' timestamp='1453824931' post='2963166'] I invested a huge amount (to me) in pa and we have a great system for what we do. What I wouldn't invest in is the monitors unless it was one just for me. If the guys in the band want a monitor then they can pull their wallets out and buy their own and I'll give them whatever mix they want. I'm very tempted to go in ear monitor though for my hearing's sake. [/quote] I had the very same conversation with a friend of mine. Band members should be keen to invest in their own monitoring. It makes me mad that singers won't put a finger in their pocket for a mic, let a lone a monitor or PA. In ears - best thing I ever did. Check out the big in ears thread if you haven't already.

[quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1453823717' post='2963147'] Yeah, probably but i read it as a blanket statement. Not everyone uses a full pro PA so having a loud back line/rig is needed. Some people seem to miss this point. [/quote] You are right - I made this point earlier. Nobody seems to want to invest or have ownership of a PA!

[quote name='Wolverinebass' timestamp='1453821899' post='2963112'] Please stop it! I'm laughing so hard I think I might swallow my tongue! It's just the "tickled trout" name of the pub as well. Just conjures up all sorts of very silly images! [/quote] Fish molesting.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1453821300' post='2963092'] Tsk! Can you imagine a professional band relying on Ampeg equipment!? Mad!! [/quote] Stan at the Tickled Trout would turn you away for even darkening their doors with an Ampeg.

A cool solution is to carry your own monitoring rig around with you... (digital mixer, IEM systems and a bank of XLR splitters - so you can split the signal between your monitoring rack and front of house). Your sound is entirely under your control... and for those looking after front of house, nothing changes and you save them the hassle of doing monitor mixes.

[quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1453821181' post='2963090'] We never play through a big PA, and the few times i have the tone coming out of the monitors was not my tone, so they couldn't possible replace my rig and in no way was it enjoyable. [/quote] Depends upon the monitors... there's bass cabs and bass cabs. There's monitors and monitors. Of course, you need time to set up the monitors to get the tone to be as exactly like you want (that's if the monitor is even capable of doing that). - and most of the time, monitor mixes are "can you hear yourself? cool... lets go with that then". When you have the luxury of time, you can do an awesome mix on a monitor (gear allowing). I favour IEM mixes because there is nothing more constant! (And I don't end up with a whistle in my lugs). But yeah, nothing less enjoyable than trying to pump some bass through a weedy 8" monitor.

[quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1453821522' post='2963098'] Eh? I walk around the room at sound check and dont hear much difference to what i hear on stage. [/quote] I think sj67 is meaning if it comes through the PA where your signal has likely been subjected to various processing. If it's just your rig amplifying the bass, then yeah, you're going to hear things a lot more uniform.

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1453820135' post='2963067'] well, this is one case where if I can have redundancy to cover my ass just in case, no matter how unlikely, I would go for redundancy... but this is not the usual gig for most here [/quote] Agreed. I have known a bass rig go at a concert and the reaction from the crew was embarrassing - and everybody looked at the bass player as if it was his problem he couldn't be heard. It's the sort of embarrassing situation that ends up on YouTube... and can knacker a band's reputation. All could have been solved if they had used a DI box. Old Stan at the Tickled Trout wouldn't have put up with it - they all use digital wireless and bypass the need for a DI box altogether by running Dante straight to the mixer.

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1453820000' post='2963064'] my pedals (non dodgy, 'though) go before the amp, and will be present in the preEQ DI... [/quote] guitar -> pedals -> DI with cab simulation -> amp -> etc...

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1453819775' post='2963061'] it's music, not flying a plane that may crash if something malfunctions... if the amp dies, quick swap to DI box and carry on. How often does an amp fail? [/quote] As I've alluded to, it depends upon the gig. You remember a gig somewhat like The Queen's Diamond Jubilee concert - live, very high profile? You reckon for the sake of a DI box you'd take the risk of using an onboard DI? If the amp goes down, it would be the sound guys fault for being a loss of signal, not the amp manufacturers. Besides, you want to maximise the focus on the shoddy singing from the second rate pop stars... Amp failures? Well... that depends upon who made it and if fire takes out the DI.

[quote name='sunburstjazz1967' timestamp='1453804308' post='2962815'] Although he is endorsing Guinness in this shot. [/quote]

[quote name='sunburstjazz1967' timestamp='1453804268' post='2962813'] 'Bass' tech. [/quote] Is he 'Trout' tech too? </crap fishing gag>

[quote name='sunburstjazz1967' timestamp='1453803754' post='2962804'] Tickled Trout sound crew. [/quote] Is he front of house... or the dedicated monitor engineer?

I guess you are questioning my statement above. In reality, I guess a lot go for the simple life - OK, they'll take your DI from your head, they take your DI as pre/post eq. If they have a problem working with what they get... and I don't suppose they care too much - it depends upon the gig. Does a function band/original band gig really matter? I'm sure the audience at the Tickled Trout won't care a hoot where the DI comes from. I'm sure any sound guy working there (if they have any) will care either. The number one is getting paid and going home. There's a load of BS in this game and the sound engineers have to be pros at dealing with it. The long standing joke of "make this change to the monitor mix for me please" - sound guy does nothing - "yeah, that's great now, thanks". Sometimes its not worth their while to even bother saying anything to the band in order to avoid any conflicts. On the other end of the spectrum, a television/radio broadcast/live recording, I tell you there will be a load of sound guys that will insist on external, isolated DIs (not just separated, isolated in the fact they won't hum, like many amps do), so they have the cleanest unadulterated signal to work with, and then blend with a mic on the cab if the player is a big fx person. Also, the DI output from heads can very, with many being hotter than ideal. A known DI box takes away this unknown - nobody wants to start messing around with inline attenuators to tame a hot DI feed. There's a reason that Avalons grace many a stage - although in my opinion, super expensive DIs for live are a bit pointless as the signal is pushed and pulled a mile, compressed, EQed from their original starting point - although that source does need to be clean (free from hum) and at an optimum level when fed into the preamps of the desk.

[quote name='Roland Rock' timestamp='1453795580' post='2962723'] I have no idea why I find this post so funny [/quote] Same. Although shouldn't it be JT's Grand Slam Allstars? Or am I missing something? Is it Yoda speak or something? Anyway, I'll be sure to phone up The Tickled Trout to establish what PA and monitoring facilities they have. Will try and establish the natural resonance of the hall there that I'll be playing in too.