EBS_freak

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1386937602' post='2306584'] There is so much more to go wrong in the average guitar rig, yet sticking a microphone on the final component in the signal path is done without thinking. Why can't bass players be treated in the same way? [/quote] Because bass players are far more easy going.

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1386874630' post='2305858'] The thread is about barefaced, the Simplexx cabs are designed by Bill Fitzmaurice and are nothing to do with barefaced. I wasn't sure why you referenced the Simplexx... [/quote] Bf bf bf bf bf bf bf....

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1386871353' post='2305790'] You're free to do it, like i said, i only used the "EBS" example from your nick and my personal experience with gear. I never said on my post that you prefered the Neos over BF. Hope you're not too upset with my post. Cheers [/quote] Funnily enough I prefer the prolines to the neoline EBS cabs... Anyway, you wont upset me about criticising my gear. Ive done enough varied gigs to know what works for me and thats cool. If people dont like my gear Im not bothered but Id always take my own gear after years of refinement than use anything else. Im yet to find anything that I prefer. Just for interest, heres an extract from my pm... Similarly, despite my fan boy name, the EBS 1x10 and 1x12 are quite possibly the shittest bass cabinets ever made. I'm big enough to admit that.

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1386866325' post='2305688'] Ok, i've been silent trough lots of this Barefaced debates but i think it's time to leave you with MY opinion. FEET: Here's a list of all the gear i had with fallen feet (the ones i can remember from memory): - Trace Elliot GP12 combo (not cheap!) - Wharfedale Pro 2x15 PA cab (not very expensive) - Wharfedale Pro 1x15 PA cab ( " ) - Wharfedale Pro floor monitor ( " ) - Laney Floor monitor ( " ) - Promethean P110C (cheap) - RCF ART 312 PA top (very expensive) - DB Technologies SUB12 (not very expensive) - DB Technologies SUB15 ( " ) I had a Barefaced Midget on wich on of the foot worked out loose from time to time, i ended replacing the screw for a thicker one. My current Super12T is still free from foot problems. HANDLE: I have handles splitting on my Trace Elliot Boxer 15 and on the Laney floor monitor. I have friends who had to replace handles on their Marshall guitar amps and none of them complaint about it. Both the Midget i had and my S12T hadn't any problem with theirs but i'm aware that thw S12T's handle will start to plit eventually. When that happens i'll replace them with the new ones and won't complaint either. FOAM: Have you ever had a HK PA? Have you seen what happens to the foam they use to cover the front baffle??? In my rehearsall room we had two Turbosoung PA cabs also with a foam covered baffle and after a few rehearsalls we had to send the owner in to teka them out of there, the room was allways dirty with that sh*t. Alex released about 20 cabs with this type of padding before changing to something better, not a real issue with BF QC, is it? Now, here's my most honest opinion regarding BF cabs: Pros: - Light weigt and compact - Loud but still clear - Full range sound and good perception of all the notes (people mistake this for sound quality but you can't quantify sound quality, it's subjective to every single one of us. I like a full range sound, great mid presence but others like some scoop on the mids and more sub-bass extention... either you like it or not!) - Very rigid construction (no signs of weakness on any part of the wooden box) - Pre and After sales service (Alex never left a single e-mail from me unanswered, it may time a few days but he allways replied. people must understand that a single person can't build cabs and attend to facebook/e-mail/basschat at the same time) Cons: - looks (i don't like the looks of my cabs, don't like the painted finish, makes it look too DIY and the metal grill doesn't make it any better. This doesn't put me off from buying one because i give more importance to the sound and portability. When i get tired of looking at my cab i'll pick up the sander and strip the paint, cover the cab in tolex and add some sexy silver cloth and white binding. - handles (i would prefer something made of metal and recessed, Alex says it's difficult to do it but it's not impossible) - lack of tilting device for the smaller cabs - metal corners (they could be a bit prettier and more firm) I think, in all fairness Barefaced cabs aren't overpriced when compared with other manufacturers, or have worse QC, the drivers are expensive and so are the x-over componontes. Every brand has its issues over one thing or another. I don't want to start a fight here, this is just an example that i'm going to use inspired by the nickname of one of the BC'ers that are writting against BF (EBS_Freak). I had two EBS cabs, a Neoline 110 and a Neoline 112: (edit: i forgot to add that this three cabs are all on the same price bracket) The handle on them wasn't the best option, even though it was recessed and offered the cab tilt option it would rattle at high volumes. The corners were made of cheap plastic (one of them came broken inside the box) The grill is made of some kind of mesh that usually is used on construction sites. The cab was covered with carpet, the thing all cats love. The feet... er... they don't have feet! So here's a point for EBS! Sorry EBS_Freak, this is just an example, please understand, i could have used Stevie or Toasted but i don't know what gear they use. Nothing against you personally, ok? Summing it up, all gear is great for somebody and a big waste of money for others, everyone has his own personal taste and everyone has the right to his opinion, express it as you like but start thinking before writting, please. This issue is strating to grow a beard... Cheers [/quote] I'll leave it to Happy Jack - later in the thead. He's posted my PM.

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1386862249' post='2305579'] At a guess fewer than twenty Barefaced cabs used foam for damping. Very early on we switched to a different material which worked better, was easier to handle and cost less. The foam was the same material used for mattress toppers - I'm surprised it's crumbling already but maybe it's been exposed to quite high heat if the cab has played long loud gigs and that's caused premature degradation? Anyway, it's only in the very earliest Compacts and Big Ones, with plastic corners (and only in a minority of the plastic cornered cabs) - cabs that seem to sell secondhand now for little less than they were originally bought five years ago. We're hoping to take on an admin person early next year so any issues with feet and handles on the old models will be addressed more promptly. If your handle has worn out you can have a free replacement. If you want to upgrade to the new handles we've worked out a way to do that despite them being different sizes - we'll put an upgrade kit on our site which will be priced at the cost of us to assemble and post it. I can't see the new handles wearing out in a very very long time. [/quote] Good answer.

I've voted. Bet you can't guess which category.

[quote name='stevie' timestamp='1386861080' post='2305555'] I'm afraid it's not that simple. If it were, similar products with the same price would by definition offer the same value. As Oscar Wilde said, A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Not the same at all. As far as penny-pinching cab manufacturers are concerned, there are plenty of ways of cutting costs without the customer noticing, at least not until it's too late. Most, although not all, of the bass cabs that have been through my hands had been subjected to over-enthusiastic "value engineering". Lack of bracing, lack of internal damping, cheap, poorly specified drivers, inadequate R&D, incorrectly sized ports, rattling glue joints, - all from highly successful manufacturers I would add. I'm not sure where we're going with this though..... [/quote] ...using oversized screws which go through into the internals of the cab... Fair's fair, problems aren't limited to BF.

[quote name='SolomonHelsing' timestamp='1386860636' post='2305542'] What do I know, Self proclaimed ashdown b*tch here [/quote] Like the smoke and flames do you?

[quote name='PauBass' timestamp='1386859884' post='2305517'] Don't really know, rubber feet and handles fell off before I even plugged it in [/quote] Yeah, don't you just hate that? The frets were all wonky on the last cab I bought. (Or was that my Dingwall?)

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1386859721' post='2305507'] You had 1000 Rickenbackers? [/quote] All fake.

[quote name='PauBass' timestamp='1386859558' post='2305500'] + 1000 [/quote] How was your Rickenbacker?

[quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1386859023' post='2305482'] Apart from basic respect. Its not the opinions which matter but the way in which they are expressed which perhaps is the issue. [/quote] I don't get the fragmented sentence... but no matter. Aha! Never a truer word spoken. [quote] I recall Alex has already had issues on the forum in the past with his enthusiasm and passion for what he does being misunderstood. This is why he has stated he has more important things to do with his time than fight petty point scoring battles. Others share his enthusiasm because he has developed a product that meet peoples' needs. His product speaks for itself. It's a position that many companies would deeply envy and a personal tribute to Alex's sheer cleverness. Keep it up the criticism though chaps, both of you come across as a bit vindictive because its just one issue. But you are also getting people passionate and excited in defence of Alex. It's great for Alex to see and great for Basschat! [/quote] Who is the "both"? One issue? You don't pop into these BF threads often do you?

[quote name='Toasted' timestamp='1386858404' post='2305462'] Troll is a complicated word. You're another flirt and don't deny it. You love it ;-) [/quote] Oi, you two, get a room.

[quote name='brensabre79' timestamp='1386857000' post='2305423'] I really don't understand all the passionate hatred being spread on here. [/quote] Where is this hatred? [quote] Forgetting for a moment that it is directed at a fellow BassChatter. We are all entitled to our opinions of what is good/bad gear. We are not entitled to ram it down everybody's throats on what seems to be an almost daily basis. Hey, I tried some stuff out when I was looking for a cab a couple of years ago, and there was stuff I didn't like, stuff I thought was overpriced tut, and stuff that was just plain bad. If anyone asks for a recommendation I'll be happy to make a suggestion. What I will not do is ridicule, exaggerate and prattle on like I've got some kind of hidden agenda over and over again. [/quote] Whether or not the manufacturer is a BCer or not is of no relevance. There is no ramming of any opinions from what I've witnessed. The looks and sound of the cabs are certainly subjective... but the handles, feet etc are certainly not. They are tangeable problems. Hey, these may well be the Alfa Romeos of the bass cab world. Their owners love them but they will give you a lifetime of niggles. Who knows? Anyway, regarding uncalled for bashing or whatever, if there is, it certainly doesn't seem to be having any impact on their popularity does it? As for humour, there's loads of it on here and I think it is plain clear to most people on here where humour is in action. You only have to see what a BF owner has chosen to name this thread...

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1386853443' post='2305351'] Ah! Now we are getting somewhere! [/quote] Well, it's a valid point. In foamgate, the first response was a deflection, pointing out what other manufacturers do. If I was BF owner, I wouldn't want to hear about other cabs, I would want to know why my cab is spewing foam. The fact that other manufacturers may not be using wadding is actually of no relevance in that thread. This wouldn't be limited to BF, it would apply to any company's cab that I happened to be using.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1386852849' post='2305335'] Yes, that's a good point. I certainly did not intend this to be a platform for anyone to have a go at anyone else. However, some of the comments addressed at Alex Claber and users of his products have already been excessively vitriolic IMO. He is clearly seen as fair game to some. [/quote] Interesting. I can't think of a single post that I have seen where somebody has been slagged off for owning a Barefaced cab. All criticisms about the BF product range seem to be about the product, not the owners... or Alex's own attitude - with regard to the way that he posts on here.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1386852357' post='2305320'] So far, apart from the one vote for option 1 (which I assume was Alex Claber or someone taking the piss ), the results are going pretty much as I suspected they would [/quote] Yeah, sorry about that. Of course, there are lot of people who won't bother entertaining the survey for starters...

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1386852988' post='2305338'] What have barefaced got to do with the new BFM designs? [/quote] Confusion, confusion!!

[quote name='The Dark Lord' timestamp='1386852272' post='2305317'] The voting options are two one-dimensional. I think they are both good and bad. Here's what I think. Pros: Great sounding cabs (to a lot of people) Light and portable Cons: Some question marks over quality of product Expensive for what they are Some question marks about customer service Some question marks about supply chain [/quote] I think this is a very fair sum up... but for me, the tone of these cabs are also a con (again, this is subjective). Regarding myself, only the light and portable aspect appeals. At the premium that the cabs are, there are far too many cons in that list for my liking.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1386851653' post='2305302'] At whom is that question directed? [/quote] The BC community I presume. Your words at top of poll...?

Tony - you're out tonight at The Road House aren't you? Again, can't make it.. :-/ Gigging myself!

What are your feelings about BF cabs? I don't know but I've just checked out his new Simplexx cabs.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1386796034' post='2304790'] Not sure the pic/drawing presented in the OP comes across too well... and by that, I mean, I can't tell whether it is a good drawing and representative of the end product or a bad representation...? [/quote] It's the sauna series! Can't comment on them... never head one of these Simplexx cabs.

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1386845324' post='2305200'] Google Translate, from the original Latvian? [/quote] What don't you get?

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1386841487' post='2305123'] If you buy an essentially hand-made item from a boutique manufacturer, then this sort of odd production niggle is part & parcel of the experience. I've read enough of your posts over the years to know that you don't need me telling you about this. [/quote] Barefaced is CNC - hand assembled at best. They are putting together cabs on what is, albeit a small one, assembly line. All made to a certain spec, or a derivitation of as specified by themselves. The problems that have been reported by others in other threads, don't follow this... routing bodies, hand carving necks, hand winding pickups, custom circuits... much different kettle of fish.