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[quote name='stevie' timestamp='1386861080' post='2305555'] I'm afraid it's not that simple. If it were, similar products with the same price would by definition offer the same value. As Oscar Wilde said, A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Not the same at all. As far as penny-pinching cab manufacturers are concerned, there are plenty of ways of cutting costs without the customer noticing, at least not until it's too late. Most, although not all, of the bass cabs that have been through my hands had been subjected to over-enthusiastic "value engineering". Lack of bracing, lack of internal damping, cheap, poorly specified drivers, inadequate R&D, incorrectly sized ports, rattling glue joints, - all from highly successful manufacturers I would add. I'm not sure where we're going with this though..... [/quote] ...using oversized screws which go through into the internals of the cab... Fair's fair, problems aren't limited to BF.

[quote name='SolomonHelsing' timestamp='1386860636' post='2305542'] What do I know, Self proclaimed ashdown b*tch here [/quote] Like the smoke and flames do you?

[quote name='PauBass' timestamp='1386859884' post='2305517'] Don't really know, rubber feet and handles fell off before I even plugged it in [/quote] Yeah, don't you just hate that? The frets were all wonky on the last cab I bought. (Or was that my Dingwall?)

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1386859721' post='2305507'] You had 1000 Rickenbackers? [/quote] All fake.

[quote name='PauBass' timestamp='1386859558' post='2305500'] + 1000 [/quote] How was your Rickenbacker?

[quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1386859023' post='2305482'] Apart from basic respect. Its not the opinions which matter but the way in which they are expressed which perhaps is the issue. [/quote] I don't get the fragmented sentence... but no matter. Aha! Never a truer word spoken. [quote] I recall Alex has already had issues on the forum in the past with his enthusiasm and passion for what he does being misunderstood. This is why he has stated he has more important things to do with his time than fight petty point scoring battles. Others share his enthusiasm because he has developed a product that meet peoples' needs. His product speaks for itself. It's a position that many companies would deeply envy and a personal tribute to Alex's sheer cleverness. Keep it up the criticism though chaps, both of you come across as a bit vindictive because its just one issue. But you are also getting people passionate and excited in defence of Alex. It's great for Alex to see and great for Basschat! [/quote] Who is the "both"? One issue? You don't pop into these BF threads often do you?

[quote name='Toasted' timestamp='1386858404' post='2305462'] Troll is a complicated word. You're another flirt and don't deny it. You love it ;-) [/quote] Oi, you two, get a room.

[quote name='brensabre79' timestamp='1386857000' post='2305423'] I really don't understand all the passionate hatred being spread on here. [/quote] Where is this hatred? [quote] Forgetting for a moment that it is directed at a fellow BassChatter. We are all entitled to our opinions of what is good/bad gear. We are not entitled to ram it down everybody's throats on what seems to be an almost daily basis. Hey, I tried some stuff out when I was looking for a cab a couple of years ago, and there was stuff I didn't like, stuff I thought was overpriced tut, and stuff that was just plain bad. If anyone asks for a recommendation I'll be happy to make a suggestion. What I will not do is ridicule, exaggerate and prattle on like I've got some kind of hidden agenda over and over again. [/quote] Whether or not the manufacturer is a BCer or not is of no relevance. There is no ramming of any opinions from what I've witnessed. The looks and sound of the cabs are certainly subjective... but the handles, feet etc are certainly not. They are tangeable problems. Hey, these may well be the Alfa Romeos of the bass cab world. Their owners love them but they will give you a lifetime of niggles. Who knows? Anyway, regarding uncalled for bashing or whatever, if there is, it certainly doesn't seem to be having any impact on their popularity does it? As for humour, there's loads of it on here and I think it is plain clear to most people on here where humour is in action. You only have to see what a BF owner has chosen to name this thread...

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1386853443' post='2305351'] Ah! Now we are getting somewhere! [/quote] Well, it's a valid point. In foamgate, the first response was a deflection, pointing out what other manufacturers do. If I was BF owner, I wouldn't want to hear about other cabs, I would want to know why my cab is spewing foam. The fact that other manufacturers may not be using wadding is actually of no relevance in that thread. This wouldn't be limited to BF, it would apply to any company's cab that I happened to be using.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1386852849' post='2305335'] Yes, that's a good point. I certainly did not intend this to be a platform for anyone to have a go at anyone else. However, some of the comments addressed at Alex Claber and users of his products have already been excessively vitriolic IMO. He is clearly seen as fair game to some. [/quote] Interesting. I can't think of a single post that I have seen where somebody has been slagged off for owning a Barefaced cab. All criticisms about the BF product range seem to be about the product, not the owners... or Alex's own attitude - with regard to the way that he posts on here.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1386852357' post='2305320'] So far, apart from the one vote for option 1 (which I assume was Alex Claber or someone taking the piss ), the results are going pretty much as I suspected they would [/quote] Yeah, sorry about that. Of course, there are lot of people who won't bother entertaining the survey for starters...

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1386852988' post='2305338'] What have barefaced got to do with the new BFM designs? [/quote] Confusion, confusion!!

[quote name='The Dark Lord' timestamp='1386852272' post='2305317'] The voting options are two one-dimensional. I think they are both good and bad. Here's what I think. Pros: Great sounding cabs (to a lot of people) Light and portable Cons: Some question marks over quality of product Expensive for what they are Some question marks about customer service Some question marks about supply chain [/quote] I think this is a very fair sum up... but for me, the tone of these cabs are also a con (again, this is subjective). Regarding myself, only the light and portable aspect appeals. At the premium that the cabs are, there are far too many cons in that list for my liking.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1386851653' post='2305302'] At whom is that question directed? [/quote] The BC community I presume. Your words at top of poll...?

Tony - you're out tonight at The Road House aren't you? Again, can't make it.. :-/ Gigging myself!

What are your feelings about BF cabs? I don't know but I've just checked out his new Simplexx cabs.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1386796034' post='2304790'] Not sure the pic/drawing presented in the OP comes across too well... and by that, I mean, I can't tell whether it is a good drawing and representative of the end product or a bad representation...? [/quote] It's the sauna series! Can't comment on them... never head one of these Simplexx cabs.

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1386845324' post='2305200'] Google Translate, from the original Latvian? [/quote] What don't you get?

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1386841487' post='2305123'] If you buy an essentially hand-made item from a boutique manufacturer, then this sort of odd production niggle is part & parcel of the experience. I've read enough of your posts over the years to know that you don't need me telling you about this. [/quote] Barefaced is CNC - hand assembled at best. They are putting together cabs on what is, albeit a small one, assembly line. All made to a certain spec, or a derivitation of as specified by themselves. The problems that have been reported by others in other threads, don't follow this... routing bodies, hand carving necks, hand winding pickups, custom circuits... much different kettle of fish.

Seems fair enough.

I don't understand. Jealousy? What? For paying a load of cash for something that is built to the standards that it is? Not for me I'm afraid. Not a fan of a looks, tones, associated niggles... they are light - granted - but cabs at this price point shouldn't have ANY problems, be it handles, feet, foam, whatever. There are a plentiful amount of cabs out there that have zero problems. If this was any other product than Alex's, these cabs would be slated for all the problems that they have/have had - and everybody knows that. We only have to see other threads where people are unhappy with products and buying experience. Why should the response that BF has on here be expected to be any different? BigRedX hates Fender and is very vocal about it. And that's fine. Each to their own... The only people that are screaming out in these threads, are the people that own them. Do thou protest too much?

[quote name='largo' timestamp='1386779989' post='2304445'] Nah, I don't believe you.... [/quote] The laws of physics have come on a long way in the past 15 years don't you know...

[quote name='Twigman' timestamp='1386670437' post='2302757'] My choice? The tip with both of them. I'll stick with my GB Shuttle 9.2 900W head and Barefaced S12T 2 x 12" for all situations thanks. [/quote] What a completely bizarre statement.

[quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1386777291' post='2304391'] 15 years ago I used a peavey 4x10 + 1x15 stack. Today I can get the same power/depth/grunt/whatever from one 15/12 inch speaker in a small light cab, its called progress [/quote] I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not.

[quote name='stevie' timestamp='1386772769' post='2304302'] Crumbling foam doesn't work at all - and it makes a bloody mess of the inside of the cabinet. So, Alex, taking an easy pop at manufacturers who don't fit any (and who therefore don't charge for it) is hardly the right attitude. [/quote] I'd be interested at taking a look at the "mess" inside of the cab. It may be more aesthetically pleasing than the exterior.