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[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1376498027' post='2174974'] In the picture the Berg looks twice as big... It was supposed to be something that wasn't serious, maybe not a joke but... [/quote] Ah... OK. I get ya.

[quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1376497729' post='2174967'] How do they compare price wise? [/quote] Above - £960 at Bass Direct (thats including the 10 pounds for postage) S12T (with tweeter) at £870 (with postage - [b] Postage and packing[/b] UK postage and packing is charged at a flat rate of £30 for small cabs (Compact/Big Baby/Midget) and £60 for large cabs, i.e. the ones with wheels (Big Twin/Super Twelve/Dubster/Super Fifteen/'69er). ) So that's £960 vs £900. (Plus Berg has come from the US and through a dealer)

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1376497628' post='2174959'] The Berg is clearly a lot bigger as well :/ That would be an issue for me [/quote] Oh really. 79cm x 46cm x 38cm vs 76cm x 48cm x 34cm Of course, the similarity in dimensions shouldn't really come as a surprise.

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1376497647' post='2174961'] [sub]Aye that's a good looking cab.[/sub] [/quote] The one on the left (just to clarify)

[sub]Aye that's a good looking cab.[/sub]

[quote name='skychaserhigh' timestamp='1376494910' post='2174881'] I like my vanderkley cab , great sound , great build and finish quality , great handles...... [/quote] Not a Vanderkey! Not with their inset handles and inset back panel!!

Thanks for watching! Funnily enough - after it's 46 years of service, the Ampeg's handle is beginning to show signs of wear...

Cool. Enjoy the new cab!

[quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1376490238' post='2174774'] Actually lol you usually see Ashdown on tv and festivals etc hahah [/quote] It's cos the handles look ace.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1376489070' post='2174755'] What's up? Insufficient Tramadol today or what? [/quote] That's right. My bad back kills me. Must buy a BF.

[quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1376488791' post='2174746'] I would say that I did a direct AB test of an EBS NEO 212 vs the BF S12t, and the BF was clearer, cleaner and louder. But the EBS (my cab at the time) was more aesthetically pleasing by a long way. [/quote] You see, this actually counts for a big deal. The types of bands that I am in, I don't think I would be taken seriously if I turned up with something that looked like it was knocked up from components from the Tandy catalogue. BF really needs to up it's game on that front. Are we seeing BF as a festival or tv regular? It's hunting ground is the pub. And that's great. It's a valid market. Louder? Clearer, cleaner... not in my experience? But thats where this is all subjective.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1376488800' post='2174747'] [size=4]That is SO going in my sig, [/size] [/quote] Yeah. Nice one.

[quote name='Toasted' timestamp='1376485870' post='2174643'] That was the best rig I ever had. DB750 and NV610 was pure awe. [/quote] Bit of a back breaker?

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1376485607' post='2174631'] Both, thanks - AND The Three Billy Goats Gruff. There's a troll in it, if I remember rightly. [/quote] I don't think that troll is interested in these goats though.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1376484806' post='2174602'] In that case you might have put less time and effort into explaining your beliefs to us. [/quote] Pah ha!

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1376484244' post='2174581'] I think it is ok to have a say about a product if that product came straight out of the makers showroom. The fact that it may have been a demo bass should not really come into it, as far as I can see. It is a walking advert for the product, and at shows, I would expect it to get seen and heard by a LOT of people ..not least a lot of people with influence in the industry.. I just don't get how you can let anything like that pass off as a premium product with your name on it. I only know what I have read..and seen, on here, but that sounds like a massive hole in foot job to me..??? Demo bass... and discount price is one thing... but people need to know that and company records should record that. I understand how hard that would be one one man bands...!!!! but I also think it is very hard to get a premo reputation and how easy it is to loose it. Virul is just a few clicks away, these days... [/quote] Indeed. One of my fave luthiers has a bass that I am desperate that he sell to me. He won't. Why? Well, it's his show bass. And? Well... it's built out of a load of sh1tty offcuts that have been glued together and then shaped and sprayed. I don't care. I just want to play it! Well... if that bass was ever sold, and it was ever refinished and it was seen that it was made with a load of offcuts, it would bring into question every other bass he had ever made. He's confident that any other bass could be refinished.... but he won't let this show bass out for this very reason, despite having been offered thousands for it by numerous people. And that's defending your brand.

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1376483830' post='2174564'] Probably the best and most succinct summary. I've heard that Ashdown make really, [i][b]really [/b][/i]good handles. [/quote] [b]Use [/b]really, [i][b]really[/b] [/i]good handles... fireproof too.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1376483747' post='2174561'] Pre TBT? [/quote] Indeed!

Is this still going on? I can sympathise with both sides. A "failed" handle which has failed in it's cosmetic appearance is open for debate. For example, I am sure that there would be a few Ferrari owners raising a few eyebrows if their otherwise mechanically sound vehicles were developing paint blemishes or rust. In this case however, the handles are subject to use and hence wear and tear... but conversely are cheap to change - and Alex seems to be willing to ship new ones out. Umm...?

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1376482967' post='2174527'] One day that story will come out Russ and you will be enemy number one, I feel privileged to already know but my lips are sealed [/quote] Ha ha! Good enough for "<name removed>" and "<name removed>", then I'm sure it's good enough for you. That told me huh? Anyway, back to AC - I was thinking about finishes. I seem to recall JC making a big point about having a top guy shooting his nitro - ex Fender even? or maybe a top car guy? - my mind forgets. Anyway, seems that with the move of manufacturing locations, the build process and the fact he is now doing his own finishes, the AC brand is not what it once was. I know this is a bit of a sweeping statement but I can wager there will be a "pre move" era premium come out of this incident if there is an impact on the business!

I had a similar experience with a (very popular) builder that was less than rosy. I chose not to make it public on this forum (or any other forum as it happens) as I knew the fanbois would defend to the max. I was close to doing so though - why? I was heavily out of pocket, left with a pos and it was looking like I was not going to get any resolution to the situation. The luthier was not listening and was questioning my ability of knowing anything about the constuction of instruments and how they should or shouldn't be. I managed to get the situation resolved and get a replacement... albeit only when a third party got involved. Pretty sad that luthiers tend to be highly defensive of their work, reply on the uber offensive and basically treat their customers as dick heads. The only thing that makes the experience a bit sweeter is that I never put in my 4k order with said luthier and never had to deal with the possibility of beind lumbered with a substandard pos. I can fully sympathise with the OP on TB. I'm still surprised at JC... I read it back again today and my jaw is still on the floor. I love Allevas (well, that green racing stripe one at least)... but I wouldn't have the confidence to order direct now. I would only buy an instrument off the shelf that I could inspect... which is a great shame because an instrument like that, you should have the confidence to spec it up and now that it's going to arrive absolutely bang on. This whole thing about it being a discounted show instrument stinks. If I was at a show and saw that excuse of a bass, I would be walking anyway. I can't see JC having done himself any sort of favour here whatsoever. Just an all round sad state of affairs.

[quote name='Dread Bass' timestamp='1376333161' post='2172359'] Cant really help with the amps but i used to use an EBS classic 410 and replaced it with a Aguilar GS410 and the difference was unbelievable. [/quote] I'm not surprised. That's not really a fair comparison - that's EBS budget range of cabs. A more fair comparison in this instance would be against the EBS Proline 410.

Compressor... failing that, pull back your volume for finger style which will enable you to give yourself a boost for slap.

Warmoth calls!

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1376389846' post='2173091'] If you're the Ferrari of the bass world, the only type in this list should be A That's part of the reason people are willing to pay £3300 for one of your instruments. [/quote] Indeed.