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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYdej8v3QoE&feature=related For when it's evident that the room and your cab don't see eye to eye...

Compact for cheap <> offer on Compact. Dirty tactics there Mr C.

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1343836451' post='1756071'] (and my current car is a 100k+ Honda Civic so it's not exactly posh).[/quote] That's must have some pricey ricer mods for 100k+...

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1343836179' post='1756061'] I've told you a thousand times why. The amp wasn't powerful enough for your band, the tone of the amp and cab and your bass and your playing wasn't suitable for your band (bear in mind you said you were going to use it with a different and more powerful and less muddy amp but then didn't) and the only output that was loud enough to cut through the mix was down at the bottom. If you use an amp you don't like with one of our cabs then the cab is only going to show off why you don't like it! And if it's not very powerful then it's going to be even worse because you'll only hear the bits that are out of the range of the other instruments, i.e. below the guitars and in between kick drum hits. [/quote] Make that a thousand and one now!

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1343835971' post='1756054'] For those of you that don't think this stuff matters enough to be worth caring about when choosing a cab (or indeed designing one), what the hell are you doing wasting your time on a forum about bass amps?! [/quote] Anyway, I think it's about that time we should sum up the thread - "What's the big problem with 4x10?!" Answer? The simple fact is there is nothing wrong with a 4x10. It's just that a cab engineered for better dispersion will have better dispersion. That's pretty much it.

[quote name='ThomBassmonkey' timestamp='1343835490' post='1756038'] So we couldn't hear the difference in the 60s because we didn't have the understanding? I'm not saying that what experts like Bill and Alex talk about isn't true (I respect their posts and trust them) but it makes such a small difference once you've taken into account all the factors that 99% of people aren't even aware of it and the majority of that 1% isn't bothered by it. If it was a serious concern and something that should be taken into account when buying, it'd be a much bigger deal. Just for the record, I went from two 210RBH cabs to two 410RBHs and never noticed a difference. Maybe I would've done if I'd specifically listened for it or directly compared them (I didn't own them at the same time) but I've certainly never thought "bloody hell, this cab goes really quiet/sounds totally different when I stand here" with my 410RBH and I've used my wireless with that and gone into the audience at various gigs ranging from the amp being on the floor to being at head height (for the audience). [/quote] You liar.

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1343828730' post='1755885'] A cab with better polar response will work better in less ideal positions than a cab with poor polar response. [/quote] Didn't say it wouldn't. [QUOTE] Funnily enough, look what I wrote a few hours ago: [/QUOTE] So you did, I must have missed it in all the excitement. [QUOTE] Using science and engineering to design better loudspeakers isn't about trying to make some theoretically 'ideal' (WTF would what be anyway?) bass cab, or making something that sounds good in theory but not in practice (HTF do you manage that unless you're some hack who doesn't really have a clue what the scientific method entails?) This isn't some kind of pure maths style playing around with ethereal bollocks, it's actually looking at the REALITY of gigging and using engineering to design cabs that perform better in the REAL WORLD, not in a guitar shop or in someone's bedroom. A cab that you know you can trust to sound as good as possible when the stage layout isn't great, when the room acoustics are poor, when you don't have time to soundcheck properly, when the guitarist or drummer play too loud so you end up pushing it really hard. f*** theory, this is about PLAYING REAL GIGS! [/quote] Again, I agree... but I still maintain that the majority of people out there still don't care. If we did, and felt that the improvement was worthwhile the investment, we all would be playing <INSERT SUPER CAB MANUFACTURER HERE> cabs. Just how much better is one cab over another at a gig... really...?

[sub]Not a problem with the understanding. I was referring to the practicality and hence what the reality of gigging is like. It's a tradeoff. Need a tweeter in your cab? Oh dear. Dispersion from your cab isn't going to help you much.[/sub]

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1343824501' post='1755780'] Said thinking obviously falls into the wishful category. [/quote] Not really. There's a problem in translating scientific ideals into the reality of gigging. The two aren't mutually compatable.

I'd love to know what venues you guys are playing. Drumkit and available space normally dictates where you are going. Yes, place your amp in the ideal space but that will probably fck up the stage plan for everybody else. OK, soundcheck. Sounds great. Now the previously empty room fills with people. What happens? Yes, your sound completely changes. Do you guys actually leave your bedrooms?

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1343821262' post='1755691'] If none of the punters give a sh1t then why bother playing gigs? Music is nothing without tone, the two are inextricably linked. The reaction a band will receive is dependent on what they sound like (and look like because we're visual creatures too). The sound of band is a combination of what they're playing, how they're playing together, what everyone's tones are like, how they interact and so on and so forth. A band that sounds better SOUNDS BETTER! If someone comes away from a gig saying "that band sounded amazing" aren't they most likely to be talking about how good the music sounded? And isn't one component of the music sounding good being the mix of the instruments sounding good wherever that punter was standing? [/quote] Because your opinion of what is sounding good is based on musically trained ears. How many times have you been to a gig and thought "that was bleedin' awful", "the sound guy doesn't know what the hell he is doing", only for people around you to be singing the band's praises? You've stated above, music nowadays is mostly about business, making money... rightly or wrongly, the quality of the tone and the musicianship of the players has fallen down the order of importance. Remember that playing music is not always for enjoyment but sometimes for paying the bills. You bother to play gigs to pay the bills. Some play for enjoyment. And some people just ride the wave as it's the latest fad they are going through. Talk about your function gigs, your wedding gigs - these are the bread and butter gig of every player who makes a living out of music. Itsonly the cream of the crop players who can play top flight gigs all year round. Even those sessioning in top flight bands will have a function band to keep the money rolling in. Now, these bread and butter gigs, are generally played to people who are looking at having a nights of entertainment, where the sound is to an acceptable level (and that includes tone of the instruments, mix of the band etc) and played to a certain level of competance. 99 times out of a 100, a punter won't know what gear you are playing through, it's value or how incredibly great sounding it is. The truth is, they simply don't know... or care for that matter. In fact, they are more likely to be more impressed by your light show. In my experience, as long as they can hear the vocals, rightly or wrongly, the rest of it is of little importance. Any player who works like this, must recognise this to be the case. Yes, I have what I consider to be nice gear but that would seem to be for my own entertainment rather than the people who are listening to the band it would seem - because experience has told me that most people can't actually tell the difference. Us as bassplayers maybe... but to the greater community out there, I would say absolutely no way. Hell, people can't even tell the difference between a bass and guitar most of the time.... and here we are talking about cabs? It's the same as if somebody comes up to me and says that I'm the best bass player they've ever heard, they are either deluded or know nothing about the bass players that exist in the world. Where their statement may be factually correct, it's hardly the grounds to go and boost my ego and go off running to the nearest gear manufacturer asking for an enwhoresement.

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1343820581' post='1755667'] Exactly! Get the tone right and then do whatever you can to not lose that tone once the complexities of the real world encroach. [/quote] So it can reach the ears of the punters that giveth not a sh1t! And if the punters give not a sh1t, then it really doesn't matter if the sound is uniform around the world/room/whatever. This is coming from real world experience folks. You saw it all here first!

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1343818154' post='1755588'] Those only figure in the low end which don't figure into dispersion issues. [/quote] You missed the tongue in cheek element.

Yawn. Wot? No talk of Helmholtz resonators?

[quote name='gjones' timestamp='1343613961' post='1752743'] I have a framed rejection letter from EMI, which is my most treasured possession. [/quote] That reminds me... A colleague of mine is a big time physicist/astrologer type and despite knowing that he didn't fulfill the requirements of being an astronaut (he's not a US citizen for starters), he wanted a rejection letter from NASA to frame and put up on the wall. They let him down. A printed out email just doesn't have the same impact.

I've read some daft things on basschat.

The funny thing is, 99.9 % of the people on here wouldn't have thought anything about various speakers, designs, layouts whatever unless somebody else had planted that idea in their head. Seriously, how many people on here have gone to a gig and gone, yup, that bass players sound is really letting him down due to his use of XYZ speaker cab?

Update your sig then

I love the fact there is always pages of this stuff on Basschat. If you spent more time playing with the gear that you have got, you'd find it easier to work round any short coming that you may or may not have in your gear.

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1343749468' post='1754600'] I contacted the UK distributor who say that there is only a one year warranty on the amp (despite the EBS website saying two), and that as it was bought as "New old stock" the warranty would not be valid anyway (which again is not what EBS told me when I registered the amp after buying it but there you go....). The figures they quoted me for repairing the amp are far more than I can afford to pay (£75 per hour + parts + VAT + courier both ways), and would end up costing more than the poxy thing cost in the first place. [/quote] Ouch - I would certainly drop EBS an email, this is not good a advertisement for them. New Old Stock is as good as New in terms of lifespan before giving you any issues.

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Nice vid. Some interesting stuff there.

[quote name='bassmanady' timestamp='1341511647' post='1720370'] Yamaha BB NE2 LTD in Pewter finish,had this a couple of months,well impressed [/quote] One of my fave basses and in a killer finish too! That preamp is something else. In other news, I have just got my mits on an RBX375... prime candidate for pimping!

Lou Short. That household name.