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Yeah - this was the mix from the desk, so it is what it is. No multitrack to have fun with! One thing I did learn is, next time (if I ever do anything like this again) is that I need to take a recorder to get some audience atmosphere.

Nobody will listen longer than a minute or so anyway… so may as well save people the trouble of clicking off. anyway…

think we may have got it right this time…?

Why not build one? They aren't difficult to build - but you'll probably need to if you want it to sit on the corners of the cabs.

Just working through the others…

Eneloop!

Aw man 😞 RIP MB1

Ultranet!

Guess you already seen... But yeah, section 5 should get you going.

I'll just keeping these for the two people that may (or may not) be interested. (OK there was a bit of help with this one… the photographer at the gig happened to catch the footage from the audience POV)

Superb news! Sounds like they delivered the goods 🙂

^ there you go. That ladies and gents, is the experience you get with a single balanced armature!

Oops. Will get it corrected. Meanwhile, there's this here classic for people to ignore, or whatever.

Theres a number of reasons - mostly because it would be bad for a brand to sell IEMs for music use with a single balanced armature. The reason why I would think ACS do it, is that they provide comms units for motorsports - so for that sector, where it's just radio comms with the pit, a single balanced armature is good enough for speech where hi fidelity isn't that crucial. Second - a sleeve adds length to the amount that an IEM sticks out of your ears. The ZS10 is quite a beefy enclosure as it is. Couple it with a sleeve... well, it's not going to that inconspicuous - but more so than a pair of cans. I've worn over the ears cans on stage. You have to pay a lot of money in IEMs to get similar sort of bass performance to a set of cheaper, good sounding cans. All depends upon how self confident you are ... or whether the aesthetics would be a problem for the band or not.

Short answer: Yes. It would be that bad. Longer answer: The whole idea around IEMs is that they cut out the ambient sound on stage and the thinking is that if you want to hear something, you can't hear it unless it is put into your monitor mix. Attenuation is typically -26/-27dB (like putting your fingers deep into your ears. If you are hearing your bass amp clearly with that level of attenuation, your bass amp is too loud anyway! A single driver is a problem because they don't have enough headroom, especially when you are most interested in the bass. What happens, is that the balanced armature runs out of headroom and starts clicking or distorting, or both. Your over ear noise cancelling headphones are going to sound great - they will have big dynamic speakers that can handle a very dynamic program of music (e.g. lots of transients, both low and high). What you are effectively asking a single balanced armature to do is a pretty large ask - with live music as opposed to music that has come out of a studio and been mastered, compressed and limited. It's like putting a 1 litre engine in a big 16 wheeler and for it to have the torque and power to shift things as the stock engine would. You would expect it to cough and splutter... and not give the greatest performance... to the point (with bass at least), it's a thoroughly miserable experience. I'm talking with quite a substantial bit of experience in this area. If you haven't already, this should give you a flavour of where to take things on the IEM front. My advice would be to save your money, avoid the journey and start saving for some UE6s. In the short term, they may stick out your ears a bit - but the ZS10 (I mention them in the thread below) are a good middle ground if you can make them fit into your existing tips... but having said that, sleeves/tips are never as successful as custom IEMs... but then again, they don't carry the same price tag either.

With a single balanced armature, especially for bass players, they will be a one way street to misery. You'll want an IEM with minimum or a triple (bass, mid treble), or what I would consider the minimum, a quad balanced armature (double bass, mid, treble). Headroom is key. Balanced armatures are rubbish as bass... hence you'll want to ideally double them up. You can get hybrid setups (where dynamic drivers are used over balanced armatures), which will give you more bass, more headroom - but less fidelity. Think of it like this, would you gig with a 1x10... or a 4x10? Of course, you'll want the latter for the headroom, so the bass remains, clear, free from distortion (even if you can't hear distortion, if it's present, it will fatigue your ears and you'll be tempted to turn it the volume - which defeats the purpose of inears).

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