EBS_freak

Oh the irony. Hey people...

If there's any government that know how to do a backroom, under the table deal, it's the peeps in number 10... Of course, the twist is that they'll probably sell them on to other countries... I know, I know. Always a cynic.

To be fair, the OS was a stretch too far.

oh btw, hi talkbass viewers 👋, thanks for the link up.

Isn't that the amp?

The marketing blurb on the BF website didn't lead me down the road where you would immediately think the Jamerson sound, or the Larry Graham or Ben Folds thing. I thought it was very heavy rock centric in it's writeup - almost a RATM signature bass pedal given the constant references and name dropping. Even the other names mentioned (even the one that is spelled wrong), would all lead you to think that its targeted at that heavier style of music.

I thought I would do a quick Youtube search... and you know what, I don't actually dislike... I rather hear a band do it like this than the normal drivel I hear.

However, the world is going digital whether you like or not. Look at cars from the 60s and now. The modern cars have less easily serviceable parts than back then. That doesn't mean that people don't appreciate classic cars... Its just that modern cars, are now easier to use and generally less problematic. I remember as a youngster, getting into a car and there was a strong possibility that you wouldn't get to your final destination... or you would be nervously looking at the temperature gauge if you were stuck in a traffic jam. With regard to digital pedals, I have never seen, or known a pedal crash - can anybody else comment on this being an occurrence? Maybe the more comprehensive units - but from memory, they are down to users trying beta firmware and the like - and obviously running code in beta should come with certain caveats! Digital gear can go obsolete... but you know what, the Kemper profiler was unveiled in 2011 - that's pretty impressive that it's still competitive in the marketplace and there's still capacity for the DSP to be continued to be improved. The Kemper profiler is an amazing example of having a road map and despite the ageing technology, it's still capable to keep up - and even exceed - the offerings offered by their competitors. In reality, choice is a beautiful thing. We have analogue. We have digital. Great. Knock yourself out. And I know that this may be crazy talk... but digital and analogue can co-exist. For now. One last thing, there are analogue stompboxes that still sound great but have some terrible traits... like being super noisy, or suck all your tone, or don't bypass nicely. I know that some of these problems can be fixed (e.g. loopers and the like)... but the truth is, there are some pedals that have some sort of mystical quality because of who used them... but as a pedal in themselves, they do kinda suck. The Mutron comes to mind. Sounds great - but oh so noisy. As for older digital pedals... well, there are a few notable exceptions. The Deep Impact, ME8B maybe...

I don't think anybody said that it was realistically going up against the Helix. As you say, there is still a very buoyant market for stomp boxes (for reasons I have mentioned before) but as the price of digital continues to drop and as the tech continues to get better and better, it just won't make economic sense for manufacturers to go down the analogue route. Of course, firmware means that pedals can be continued to develop, without returning to the factory... analogue can't do that. Embedded interfaces to edit will continue to get cheaper - I know there are manufacturers playing with interfaces being presented on phones and the like... but ultimately, pedals will be able to support their own UIs in addition to being able to be coupled to computers. You only have to look at how much you get for so little from the Helix Stomp to see that it's going to become the norm. The tube screamer addition is an interesting one - it's one pedal that cannot be modelled entirely precisely at the moment, the Kemper won't profile it correctly either... but I don't think that's the reason why people use it. It gives instant access to a knob to quickly tweak to taste. Im sure, with market research, if the manufactures do genuinely see it as an issue, I can see instant access knobs being able to be assigned to something like the next gen Helix such that tweaks like that can be instantly available, whatever patches are in play.

RATM. Timmy C.

Teenage Fanclub. Now there's a blast from the past.

But is that because they are too busy on how they sound... and as for the audience, well, all bets are off on that one. The majority of people wouldn't know/care if backing tracks were in play for starters - as long as the alcohol is flowing!

This reminds me of everybody going out and exercising because the government said that they could. As far as I could see, the people partaking hadn't seen exercise in the last 25 years... People do things just to do things I guess! (PS I went through a phase of building pedals and never once used the ring modulator, fuzzes or anything like that that I built either)

An opinion is just that. It doesn’t have to be right or wrong. Likewise, it doesn’t have to be listened to. If I had acted upon the advice of some of the people on here, I would have been very disappointed in my purchases! I have an (undisclosed) list of people’s opinions that I trust.

Timmy C, Timmy C, Timmy C. Now go buy! Seriously though, there’s still a lot of people in the analogue game when it comes to pedals. Whether they are just collectors or looking for that one unique sound that nobody has. Pedals will be ok as long as they offer something that the digital units currently can’t. And in some cases, that may even just be a funky, unique box!

So... this here pedal then...

You missed a 'd'.

To be fair, it doesn't look that bad Beedster. Actually, I'm joking. This is nothing to do with bass cabs. This is when I tried to do up the zip on my gig bag. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how internet memes start.

Just out of interest, what is your amp? Is it something that has a very distinctive sound/character?

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I am of course joking.

Are you spoiling for a fight?

Just read through the Talkbass thread. "They had me at Tim Commerford". Got to love Talkbass. Tim Commerford, according to the text on the BF site, hasn't got one, hasn't used it, maybe is not even aware of it. But yeah, "they had me at Tim Commerford" Morons. As you can see, my comment about endorsements still stands.

That's a point. Maybe the measurements should be given with and without feet.