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It's like all those pedals that illuminate a tube but the audio path doesn't actually pass through it. Quite hilarious - when you find forum posts where people are swapping out the tube and commenting on the subsequent tone changes. I love it.

Ah I did know that actually! I just still refer to it as the B&O module I guess. Oh totally - the small form factor has done wonders for the industry. Any perception in losses is offset against the convenience for sure. I'm also most people would be none the wiser to the sound as I'm convinced most people see with their eyes anyway.

Bingo. It's about hitting those hard transients... and the amp reacting appropriately.

I personally wouldn't want anything that could impact my timing, so would defo push for something like a Line 6 or a Boss WL

In regard to the TC, I suspect it's not the power amp that is the question - more the sum total and that weird compression thing they implemented.

Are you ever going to record with it?

6ms latency.

Re:phaser pedal - I was just going to say, case in point about how people don't understand latency or understand where it comes from. Every component has latency, most of the time it is trace. Yes, there's even latency in analogue radio systems - but the latency is generally measured in nano seconds. So in comparison, an analogue wireless system has an end to end latency of circa 0.1ms. A world apart from digital systems where A/D D/A conversions are in place. (Of course the conversion problem is compounded when it's happening for every unit in the change). Circa <3ms is pretty much the go to figures for digital wireless now... a lot of the higher end system are also including encryption in for good measure! The newest generation Line 6 are now at 1.5ms. Lectrosonics slightly under at 1.4 and I think Shure Axient is still the champ at sub 1ms. You won't notice any issues around there, you are comfortably under the 7ms threshold (or 10ms if you are less perceptive). Start sticking a few tardy digital pedals in your chain and you may start to feel the delay! The G90 is pretty old system now - must be over 10 years old now. I think it remains a staple in the line up as it has a pleasing 1u, full width receiver format. Having said that, I think it is still sub 4ms - which shows how good Line 6 were even back then.

I'm not meaning to be rude - it's just that this is a big bug for me as there's a lot of people buying stuff that they don't understand. Also, with regard to your friend - I didn't mention anything about his ability of a player, whether he's respected or not but 35 years of studio experience brings nothing to the table in this conversation I'm afraid - especially if he doesn't understand the impact of that 12ms latency figure. Latency is a big, often misunderstood detail, surrounding wireless. It can actually influence your playing - and can ultimately mess up your internal metronome. Depending upon the rest of your setup, it can have even wider reaching consequences. Cumulative latency through digital pedals in your chain, digital desks... they all start adding up ms. Given that most players perceive latency at 10ms (and some as low as 5-7ms), you can see why I raise it as a concern. If people continue to buy these products, it'll never drive improvement on these figures. Additionally, it can lead to comments such as, "I've tried digital wireless, its rubbish". What that really translates to, is that they've tried rubbish digital wireless.

One of the biggest problems is that the ICE system is great with programme music that has been through the studio, mixed and mastered - and had all the transients associated with live music taken out. It's why testing a PA with CD isn't really a representative test of how your band is going to sound. Similarly, that 12 inch sub you are potentially eyeing up may bring a lot to the table with CD playback... but goes into fart city when you try and put a live band through it (with no processing on the desk either)

The beginnings of a really crap super hero.

Hearing of a bat, timing of a broken clock.

8ms Latency I'm still out

Nope - but the market is driven a lot around the B&O module. Small, affordable - enables for teeny tiny, lightweight - but oh so powerful heads... and that means that any amp that uses that module, is likely to exhibit similar behaviours. It's just whether you are willing to take that compromise. But the compromises are more about the module choice rather than the technology choice.

Latency: < 12ms I'm out.

Whats your budget?

Most of this comes down to one commonly used, particular model of power amp. Go use some Powersoft amps and then state that class D is lacking.

Oh man. You only have to check out the dire performances on the Facebook group “the circle” to want to slit your wrists. But then what’s worse is when you see the interaction, likes, views they get. Awful video. Awful sound. Awful performances. Seems there is little need to put out anything decent nowadays.

I guess that's true. With some brands though, there's the evidence of justification of the pricing. Premium hardware, unique pickups and circuitry, highest grade woods, quarter sawn etc. Nowadays, it just seems to be anything out of the CNCed parts bin, get it through to the spray shop (hey, even if we sand through the finish, we'll put it out there at a discount anyway*). * I don't know why anybody would do that - because without the context, you'll have people looking at it, thinking that it's representative out of all the works that comes out their factory. I know a luthier who has an absolute killer bass that could be sold ten times over - but he daren't sell it because it was made of off cuts of wood. - It it was ever stripped of it's finish, it would bring all the other basses into question. Hence it's never been sold.

I just dont get the appeal, if I was spending 2.2k on a bass, it wouldn't be on a "watered down" version. Mind you, I'm watching Dan Lakin's efforts on Facebook too. It's all a bit bitsa basses - in that he gets the parts from somewhere, sends them off to get sprayed and sent to "his guy" to assemble them before sticking a crazy price tag on them. Seems like a decal has a lot of value these days.

@lushuk For on a budget, I simply wouldn't bother with budget wireless systems. They just aren't great. Just stick with wired.The two you mention, the PSM200, is a horrible sounding system with a poor compounder that sucks your bass and has a really unpleasant shrill top end... and the likelihood, is the limiter will just over compress the hell out your signal the whole night. There's a reason why you find these on the used market so often. As for the U4s, like the PSM200 they are mono, which may not be a deal breaker in itself - but the latency figure of 5ms may be cause for concern. If you have any digital devices in your signal path - like digital pedals and a digital desk, the cumulative latency may become an issue for you. I like to top off at a maximium of 7ms. I talk about this in section 2.4 - and specifically mention how the Xvive could be a problem as part of cumulative digital chain. Chances are, if you are looking for wireless, you are already wireless on your bass... which Im guessing is likely to be digital with at least somewhere between 2 and 8ms latency. If you must go wireless, shoot for a EW300 or PSM300 system, otherwise I really wouldn't bother.

Agreed - it's why I did a latest view on IEMS- compared to the 84 pages worth of The latter shows how things have progressed (and become much better and more affordable) - the end of the thread doesn't exactly track with the start.

Watching people get upset by the word dinosaur is totally hilarious.

ANOTHER restraining order...

#bekind