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That doesn’t surprise me - it sounded very flat to me hence why I was intrigued to see if there was any preamp trickery involved.

Not the sort of stuff I’d normally listen to but super nice sounding rig- I can see why you are digging on your setup. What you using on your Helix? The combination with the hollow body is really doing it.

And Trans-Island Skyway. There was a phase where Eric Clapton Unplugged was going its bit selling hifi and surround set ups... and one of the live Pete Gabriel DVDs (forget which one)

Hell freezes over version of Hotel California.

The cat doesn't even need a strap, let alone strap locks.

You should see it when it's not on the headstock.

Swiss. You can kinda make excuses because they probably can't figure out how cringe it is in translation. But yeah, the logo. Sheesh.

Speaking of Kick Ports.. OK, this is something that is bought by drummers because they hear demos like this. HOWEVER, listen carefully to the Kick Port sample. Just listen to the amount of low end rumble and sustain that it gives. EXACTLY what you don't want in the majority of venues. OK, you could tame it with a gate... but lets face it, most people find it difficult enough to EQ let alone set up a gate properly.

I regularly deploy a RT30k instead of a mic on flabby kick drums. From that I trigger a kick drum sample, or a kick drum sample with sine if there's subs. You'll be amazed at what you can do with tech and how good it sounds. However, most people are still stuck in the dark ages.

Jeez, look at me dropping all my top tips... and killing the fun of live music for everybody (apart from the audience).

Alternatively, have the amp(s) on the side of the stage, pointing towards the ears of the guitarist(s). Mic up the amps and let the PA push the sound out front. Being off axis with any vocal mics means you'll get less bleed through those too. Better dispersion through the front of house meaning it's going to sound better for the audience too. Or even better, go full Springsteen and have your amps facing towards the sky. Mic for monitors and front of house. Look. Plays massive stages - and still understands the importance of preventing bleed into the mic. Good on ya Bruce. (also note the combos pointing across the stage) And wider shot for other amps -

Exactly like when a baby cries 😛

That's down to the quality of the samples. The inbuilt sample set of a hardware unit is much smaller than say, something like Addictive Drums, Steven Slate Drums, EZDrummer etc... Their sample library is massive and contains all the nuances that are otherwise uncaptured using the built in sample set natively found on electric drum kits. Stick something like the Zep kit through a decent PA and it'll be pinning you* to the back wall no problem. * It won't, just like your trousers won't flap when you stand in front of your bass amp - but you get my drift.

I think you would be hard to find a kit from the name manufacturers that doesn't support multiple velocities!

Drummers. Rule 1. Right kit. Having a big kit is generally loud and sounds flabby and uncontrolled. Get a smaller, quieter acoustic kit. Its not only quieter, it makes things sound tighter. Get darker sounding cymbals. They tend to be less shrill and quieter. On a small stage, or troublesome room, the sound from acoustic kits fly off everywhere, bouncing into open mics. In which case, get a decent electric kit. Most drummers moan about electric kits. Most drummers moan that they can't hit drums hard if they are told to quieten down. An electric kit gets around this. An electric kit going into a laptop and triggering a decent set of samples will sound infinitely better than an acoustic kit... or the stock sounds from an electric kit. HOWEVER, nothing beats the feel of a genuine hihat. Simple. Run an electric kit and mic up a separate hihat. (Even better, it frees up another trigger channel for other sounds). And the next thing - mic up the kit appropriately. A small kit miced up properly and subjected to some processing will sound better than a big kit. It's easier to make a small kit sound fat through a PA, than to try and calm an overly live large kit.

re: Hotel California. Given the singing going on, I think if I was the drummer, Id be losing the will to live also.

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Theres a lot of truth in that. I went to see Rudimental at Winter Gardens. The sprung dancefloor and all the sub bass made it quite the experience - certainly something your average person couldn't recreate at home.

For future reference - choose the one with the empty diary (but I guess that’s pretty much everybody at the moment)

Pyschoacoustics and bone conduction/transition of frequencies through the body.

Indeed - I made a similar comment earlier about "trouser flapping". In order for your trousers to give the quiver that people talk about, it's gonna be jumbo jet taking off kinda volumes.

Mic them up. Process it on your desk. Drum heaven. Even better if they are small shells. Tight, great sounding drums without all the flab and overtones (and unwanted cross drum resonance)

Oh man, dont say that. He'll think he's missed out 😛

Ha! I shouldn't worry too much. It wasn't funny anyway.

The latter... well, yeah... unless you were on axis to their amps.