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[quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360883713' post='1978030'] Also, no need to be snotty bro. We're just talking. Okay, I think what you're missing is that the minor 2 would have to be contain a b5 to be a sub for the 5. ( D with a b5 which contains the Ab) D mag contains an A natural which is dissonant (a #5) to the key of Db. [/quote] Ya know what the i wasn't being snotty. The patronising 'MMMMM not quite' like you were superior or my teacher, made me adopt the same tone. 'Okay, I think what you're missing is that the minor 2 would have to be contain a b5 to be a sub for the 5. ( D with a b5 which contains the Ab) D mag contains an A natural which is dissonant (a #5) to the key of Db.'- This bit is wrong. When you do a sub all that matters that the 3rd and 7th of both cors are the same but in reverse. It creates tension the irrelevant tones like the fifth being different. The E min isn't clever. I feel slightly ashamed i didn't notice it first time. The next section starts on a Dmaj and is in Dmaj. So, the last two chords of the intro, E min and A, are the 2 and 5 of D. This is a common composition and songwriting tool. Know matter what key you are in if you want to modulate to another you use the 2 and 5 of the key you are going to to get there. Pretty basic really. BTW i love the beatles, i just don't need to feel that they are magicians musically.

[quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360880149' post='1977954'] Again, saying people did stuff LIKE this is not quite the same. I've studied and played quite a bit of jazz and never came across and intro verse with like that one, but of course, how "good" something is , is subjective. The minor ii would a sub for the V because it contains the V of the 1. (In this case the tonal center being Eb -- the Bb being the 5). But here, the ii chord is a D major -- no Bb, plus a dissonent B natural. That first part is actually a decepetive cadence because it shifts seamlessly up a half step to the key of D without any sense of modulating. It's fricking brilliant. [/quote]No! The (f*** numerals) 2-5-1, a common jazz device, is ebm (2 from Db), 5 would be abmaj, but is subbed with a Dmaj (common 3rd and 7th) to Ab (1 the root).And unlike what's 'good', this isn't subjective. If you've never come across this i suggest studying a little more. Thank you and Goodnight, I'm here all week! Try the veal! (I knew it was here..you read it yet son) 26/11/2013

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1360876076' post='1977872'] You're quite right (although I'm not sure of your description of the Bbm). Chord substitutions are commonplace in jazz, but, I would argue, not so common in pop music of the early 60s... and coming from a 24 year old pop star. Maybe 'extraordinary' is a little ott [/quote]The Bbm is a bit hazy i think it's just there to create the push and pull back to the next eb (and referenceing the first chord tho it is a ll) it being a fifth away and all that.

[quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360876826' post='1977883'] Mmmm, not quite. First of all, there's a difference between a major minor second chord (in this case a Dmaj) and a tritone sub for the 5. Secondly, just describing the chord sequence doesn't explain the abstract beauty and uniqueness of the melodic movement. Yeah, THEY did stuff like that in other tunes, but there aren't too many examples of that kind of movement anywhere else in popular music prior to their doing it. [/quote]I'd say Jazz was popular music and there are quite a lot of examples of this in jazz. Popular music existed before the 1950's. Also people seem to act like songs weren't written before this period. It's commonly known they lifted chord sequences. Even macca admitted it. 'First of all, there's a difference between a major minor second chord (in this case a Dmaj) and a tritone sub for the 5'- describe this better it doesn't make sense.

[quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360854222' post='1977461'] Everyone who understands music wilh any depth and education also understands that the introduction to "If I Fell" is an masterful musical impossibility . There's no way that movement cannot come off as clumsy, yet Lennon somehow makes it a brilliant melody. Anyone who thinks they can do that if they just had a good recording studio is hopelessly oblivious. But...carry on. [/quote] [quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1360855991' post='1977502'] Lowender, I was going to make post about that very song. Chordaly, the intro to If I Fell is quite extraordinary: Ebm / D / Db / Bbm / Ebm / D / Em / A But as with many of The Beatles songs, they make the oddest chord changes sound perfectly natural. BTW Fat Rich, nice find with the documentary. I hadn't seen it before. [/quote] It's not that extraordinary or impossible. First three chords are essentially a ll-V-l with a tritone substitution on the V. The 4th chord is the dominant of the home chord to start the sequence again on eb. Half do the ll-V-l then come out of it on a basic, tho altered, lV-minV-l. Which crops up loads in beatles tunes.

[quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360769148' post='1976174'] I hate to admit it but I agree on Geddy. He can play. He 's good, but nothing particularly original or amazing. In other words, nothing Entwistle and Squire and their imitators hadn't already done. As for Mac -- this is what you're missing. It isn't his technical skill. Anybody playing for 2 years can play pretty much any of his bass lines. It's the COMPOSITIONAL skill. His ideas, voiceleading, phrasing, harmonic sense are all brilliant. Now if you don't get it, you don't get it and it can't be explained so you do. It's a little like the intro to Beethoven's 5th . It's one of the most powerful musical statements the world has ever known. But somebody can say, "Eh, it's only 4 notes. I CAN DO THAT." [/quote] I'm a big Beatles and Macca fan, with regards to his bass playing I wouldn't say his voiceleading etc are brilliant. They are just good. In relation to what was going on in White Pop it was brilliant but with regards to bass in a musical sense it's pretty basic, good, but basic. He was a cute player and i don't mean cos of his chubby cheeks and floppy hair! With regards to this thread will it ever end..............tomorrow never knows.....wahay...see what i did there!

We decided on another thread that Disposable Penis is the ultimate band name.

Disposable Penis has to be the best band name ever!

[quote name='karlfer' timestamp='1360771474' post='1976219'] What phenolic is best for metal? [/quote]Right!....so we're back to talking about cocks! This is more my area!

[quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1360762779' post='1976010'] What I love about the Basschat community is that no matter how heated or even childish the arguments get on here, they pale in comparison to the abuse I've seen hurled around on other music forums. Maybe it has something to do with the average age of most folks here. Or maybe it's a product of the easy going psyche common among bass players But the BC community is undoubtedly a very inclusive, friendly and accepting bunch of people - and that's a rare thing on the Interweb. [/quote] f*** off you P£$%K **** arse t!"T &^% 8*(() b%£$%&^&d *&^ll(9ks. Mutha F%^&^&*, Sh&^ wipe!

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1360760732' post='1975941'] I agree, can't see what the problem is. Your post was perfectly reasonable and a point of view I agree with. [/quote]Word!

[quote name='swanbrook' timestamp='1360757563' post='1975858'] beatles "love is all you need" live and let live and all that. the op said sorry and your first responce was great,no need to bring up the rest eh peace D [/quote]macca did write live and let die!

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]IIRC?....Forgive my ignorance, what does it mean?[/font][/color]

[quote name='OldG' timestamp='1360741112' post='1975559'] Active posts include off topic posts - and the count you see below your avatar doesn't. Is that what you meant? [/quote]Yes

[quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1360704110' post='1975194'] Obviously we should now start a thread Bellends! Art or Entertainment? [/quote] Dad3353 has started said thread. Legend!

[quote name='Jah Wibble' timestamp='1360709695' post='1975355'] Well, I do find Jaco's defenders end up this coming across like this at times [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTt8bzMSxI0[/media] [/quote] Why is it so wrong for people to defend Jaco, or anything. In essence it's just the same thing as the one who attacks. So by criticising them you are essentially criticising yourself.

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1360707557' post='1975301'] That doesn't really make much sense cocker. It's 16 pages of f***ing drivel. [/quote] on fire today!

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[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1360704329' post='1975200'] Depends on whether you're a clown or a whore. [/quote] I'm a ClownWhore!

[quote name='BassTractor' timestamp='1360704885' post='1975230'] Thank you. That was very nice to read, indeed, and a great support. Must be doing something right then. Trying to explain what I mean: When I write, apart from often making mistakes, I can choose how much time I use on looking things up, and I can form sentences that only use the words and ways of expressing that I feel comfortable enough with. When I read, however, part of this freedom is removed, and often stuff does go over my head. In sum, I'll often look more able than I really am. OK, this has cost a lot of time and energy, and I'm tired and not capable of rereading and judging what I wrote. Will come back later and change where necessary, rather than not posting now. best, bert [/quote]Respect!

I love his jive way of talkin, I know he can come across as a nob, but he's a one off. [color=#000000][font=georgia][size=3]I wish Bon Jovi would've given me a call before he recorded all of his hits, because the lyrics would've been smarter, the melodies would've been much more smashing, and they would've sold a lot fewer records." [/size][/font][/color] [color=#000000][font=georgia][size=3]Read more: [url="http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-david-lee-roth-vents-about-van-halens-future-20130212#ixzz2Kisx7vYn"]http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/q-a-david-lee-roth-vents-about-van-halens-future-20130212#ixzz2Kisx7vYn[/url] Follow us: [url="http://ec.tynt.com/b/rw?id=bbJxak64Kr4kEzacwqm_6l&u=rollingstone"]@rollingstone on Twitter[/url] | [url="http://ec.tynt.com/b/rf?id=bbJxak64Kr4kEzacwqm_6l&u=RollingStone"]RollingStone on Facebook[/url][/size][/font][/color]

Gotta love him. Legend!

Obviously we should now start a thread Bellends! Art or Entertainment?

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1360704009' post='1975189'] Depends whether or not you think a bellend is art or entertainment. [/quote]It can be both!

[quote name='mentalextra' timestamp='1351462129' post='1851528'] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRdxUFDoQe0[/media] I always loved the way the guitar in this track helped give it a sinister feel and moved it away from just another dance track. Great little solo by Eddie too, not the greatest but it all fits so nicely. I heard this track in the car a few days ago and thought it does sound good [/quote]I think it is one of the greatest! It's f***in wild that solo. That's when i love ed the most when he's just killer aggresive and going for it!