sshorepunk Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 I made the move to an all tube head a while back, after playing EBS for several years, the tube sound is more suited to what I am doing! I have a great rig, but just after I changed, I saw this! From the EBS site..... The EBS Classic T90 All-Tube bass amp is developed by EBS and experts with more than 20 years experience from building exclusive tube amps for hi-fi and guitar. The result is a hand-built tube amp with special designed transformers and selected and matched tubes. Classic Tube Sound for Live and Studio The 90 tube-Watts makes the EBS Classic T90 a perfect amp for the studio, especially since it comes with a direct driven balanced tube output. The amp is also very well suited for use in live situations – and a perfect companion to the matching EBS ClassicLine cabinets. Carefully Designed The special designed transformers are overdimensioned and all materials carefully selected to perform at a maximum level - at all times. The tubes are quality selected and matched with precision, and burnt-in for 24 hours after mounted in the amp to reveal any quality issues in time. Features The amp has a separate input for active and passive instruments and a separate output for 4 Ohms and 8 Ohms speaker cabinets. The control panel has a classic style layout with controls for Volume, Bass, Treble and Presence. Technical Specifications Nominal Input Level -18dBv (passive), -8dBv (active) Input Impedance 1Mohms (passive), 100kohms (active) Tone Controls Bass +/-12dB @80Hz Treble +/-12dB @8kHz Prescence 0 - +12 dB @5kHz (pwr amp eq) Balanced Output Level -10dBv Power Output 90W RMS Tube Selection 2x 6550 power tubes 1x 7025 now noise selection 1x 12AT7, 2x 12AU7 Dimensions (WxHxD) 21,1”x10,5”x9,57” / 53,7x26,7x24,3 cm Weight 16,7 kg / 37 lbs. Not sure if they are in the UK yet as they are not listed on the EBS UK site yet! Thomann are listing it at £986 which seems good for what it is, plus EBS have a reputation for building great gear, I know this from personal experience Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakkeko Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 It is a great amp indeed. I bought one about two months ago and I haven't regret it yet. Great deal for a decent price (it was about 900€ here in Finland). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeBrownBass Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 [quote name='sshorepunk' post='954968' date='Sep 13 2010, 04:06 PM']I made the move to an all tube head a while back, after playing EBS for several years, the tube sound is more suited to what I am doing! I have a great rig, but just after I changed, I saw this! From the EBS site..... The EBS Classic T90 All-Tube bass amp is developed by EBS and experts with more than 20 years experience from building exclusive tube amps for hi-fi and guitar. The result is a hand-built tube amp with special designed transformers and selected and matched tubes. Classic Tube Sound for Live and Studio The 90 tube-Watts makes the EBS Classic T90 a perfect amp for the studio, especially since it comes with a direct driven balanced tube output. The amp is also very well suited for use in live situations – and a perfect companion to the matching EBS ClassicLine cabinets. Carefully Designed The special designed transformers are overdimensioned and all materials carefully selected to perform at a maximum level - at all times. The tubes are quality selected and matched with precision, and burnt-in for 24 hours after mounted in the amp to reveal any quality issues in time. Features The amp has a separate input for active and passive instruments and a separate output for 4 Ohms and 8 Ohms speaker cabinets. The control panel has a classic style layout with controls for Volume, Bass, Treble and Presence. Technical Specifications Nominal Input Level -18dBv (passive), -8dBv (active) Input Impedance 1Mohms (passive), 100kohms (active) Tone Controls Bass +/-12dB @80Hz Treble +/-12dB @8kHz Prescence 0 - +12 dB @5kHz (pwr amp eq) Balanced Output Level -10dBv Power Output 90W RMS Tube Selection 2x 6550 power tubes 1x 7025 now noise selection 1x 12AT7, 2x 12AU7 Dimensions (WxHxD) 21,1”x10,5”x9,57” / 53,7x26,7x24,3 cm Weight 16,7 kg / 37 lbs. Not sure if they are in the UK yet as they are not listed on the EBS UK site yet! Thomann are listing it at £986 which seems good for what it is, plus EBS have a reputation for building great gear, I know this from personal experience Tony[/quote] I'm really hoping Bernie has one as bassday next month. Its in manchester so should give you an easy chance to try before you buy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidbass Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Looks the business! Certainly seems like it would be a worthy acquisition for recording alone. In a live context though? I think one might need PA support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 [url="http://www.basscentre.com/bass-cabs/ebs-classic-t90-all-tube-bass-head.html"]£869[/url] at Bass Centre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) He does have one at the moment. It's a completely different beast to the rest of the EBS range, I'll mention it to Bernie to bring it up if there is interest - although there hasn't been that much interest from the UK so far. We have had discussions about this amp in detail - again, mostly about the same subjects that have been been mentioned here. I know that EBS Watts usually go along way but even so... is 90w enough for gigging? I will say though, it's got a great valvey drive about it. Edited September 14, 2010 by EBS_freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 I'd say no. i think 200 is the minimum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 valve watts..?? We have gtr guys running 18watts into 2 cabs..?? and they keep up with a powerful punchy band that is loud enough for most places (pubs) with no PA support. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umph Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 The special designed transformers are overdimensioned and all materials carefully selected to perform at a maximum level - at all times. haha i love marketing mumbo jumbo, why didn't they just put over speced? Do respect them though for understating the clean wattage as opposed to claiming it'll do way more like some other companys like to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) [quote name='umph' post='955874' date='Sep 14 2010, 11:55 AM']The special designed transformers are overdimensioned and all materials carefully selected to perform at a maximum level - at all times. haha i love marketing mumbo jumbo, why didn't they just put over speced? Do respect them though for understating the clean wattage as opposed to claiming it'll do way more like some other companys like to do.[/quote] That's the thing I had been talking to Bernie about. The low wattage figure quoted (compared to the competition) creates a certain illusion about the amp already... If looking at the specs on paper, your 200w+ valve amps are going to attract people's attention more than the 90 watt of the EBS head - it all depends whether the buyer is clued up enough to realise that the figures are all... well, meaningless. Proof is in the pudding as they say. Exactly the same is true with their HD350. 350 watts... but more than capable of keeping up (and staying clean) with other amps rated (on paper at least) at twice the wattage. Guitars always sound louder - due to the frequencies they operate within. Your watt goes a lot further when using a guitar... and guitarists don't seem to care as much amount having as much headroom (as in before it starts getting super dirty) as bass. I've gigged an early 70s bassman rated at 100w. It was OK but it didn't haven't the clean headroom I would have wanted... and only just kept the band in the mix. I would suspect if I needed much more volume, I would want a little extra on the wattage stakes and certainly the number of speakers...! Edited September 14, 2010 by EBS_freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakkeko Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 [quote name='EBS_freak' post='955810' date='Sep 14 2010, 12:44 PM']I know that EBS Watts usually go along way but even so... is 90w enough for gigging?[/quote] Once again it's not all about the amp. If you got a cabinet with good SPL then the amp is more than enough. I'm using my EBS with two 4x10" cabinets and it's at least loud enough. I got 3 amps and none of them has more than 140W (4x 6L6)... Well actually if you consider that they are valve amps and the power section is A/B then I don't think that any of them has even 110W. And I've done large stages too... At least here in Finland the PA steps in if the hall is anything larger than a pub. But for stage the amp is enough. BTW the EBS has quite low gain pre-amp. I've been boosting it with MXR micro amp which adds a huge amount of volume too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Jakkeko' post='955903' date='Sep 14 2010, 12:27 PM']I'm using my EBS with two 4x10" cabinets and it's at least loud enough.[/quote] With that amount of speakers, I'm not surprised. True, it's not all about the amp, I think that discussion has been done to death all across the site but you still have to deliver enough power between your drivers to actually get them to work as they should... and it depends what type of music you are playing and how much valve power amp distortion you want. Having never gigged the amp, I wouldn't know if this would suit me or not... but I would wager a guess that it wouldn't stay clean enough for me. Would I like the amp in my collection? Hell yeah. For exactly the same reasons I want an Ampeg B15 fliptop. Edited September 14, 2010 by EBS_freak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 [quote name='umph' post='955874' date='Sep 14 2010, 11:55 AM']The special designed transformers are overdimensioned and all materials carefully selected to perform at a maximum level - at all times. haha i love marketing mumbo jumbo, why didn't they just put over speced? Do respect them though for understating the clean wattage as opposed to claiming it'll do way more like some other companys like to do.[/quote] Only just clocked this. To be fair, EBS do all their own translation... and some of it does come out a bit Swenglish! The original text for the Session 60 was hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyf Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 [quote name='EBS_freak' post='955888' date='Sep 14 2010, 12:16 PM']Exactly the same is true with their HD350. 350 watts... but more than capable of keeping up (and staying clean) with other amps rated (on paper at least) at twice the wattage.[/quote] Exactly. I've never found myself wanting more volume from my HD350, even on the biggest gigs. Paired with my EBS cabs, they're super loud and clean. Just wish the flipping things were a bit lighter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshorepunk Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 My recent experience with moving from a 650 watt head to a 200 watt all valve head suggests this 90 watts would be plenty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoombung Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Anyone got this yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurcatovium Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 [quote name='sshorepunk' post='956217' date='Sep 14 2010, 04:50 PM']My recent experience with moving from a 650 watt head to a 200 watt all valve head suggests this 90 watts would be plenty![/quote] I do have 100W custom valve head and it is ridiculously loud... I like the "valve watts". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krispn Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 I emailed bass centre and was advised that i should get a big amp - the standard bass head being the SVT which was rated at 300w but Im still drawn to this EBS amp. i like the idea that I can use playing dynamic's (to a point ) to coax cleaner tones but still have that edge - again £900 is a big risk if it turns out to be 'under powered' for the 'real world'. I can't help thinking that at the gig's I play a solid 60-70 tube watts would be ample coming out a 4 ohm cab. My only concern would be would it be under powering a 500-700w cab? iIwelcome your collective knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakkeko Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 An old topic but anyway... The T90 is also featured on this demo... Can you spot it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erSHiJeG8JM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertbass Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 In the 60s / 70s, 100 valve watts used to be enough for any gig, with two 4 x 12s of course and no P.A. support. The 4 x 12 columns and the 4 channel 100w Selmer P.A. amp, well, say no more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloc Riff Nut Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 The Hiwatt and the EBS sounded best for me. Anyway, whos gigging a T90 and how is it standing up to live situations? Considering a T90 but dont know if itll be loud enough for big pubs n small clubs without PA support. My only other all valve experience was my old Trace V6, but that was just TOO Loud. It was 300 w. I wish theyd use some kind of standard measurement that meant something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) I'm sure I read somewhere that only two or three of these were sold in the UK! Anyway, my valve amp puts out 96w and I've gigged it many times. The vast majority of the time, it has been loud enough, but sometimes I wish I had a bit more volume on tap, on the rare occasion where we were in a large venue but couldn't put the bass through the PA. I have a louder SS head that I bring to these gigs now, so have all bases covered. Edited December 16, 2013 by Roland Rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EBS-Classic-T90-tube-bass-amp-/370960322946 Bit of a trek from Holland though :-( Edited December 16, 2013 by Roland Rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTypeV4 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I like the look of these although I usually prefer the control of input gain / master volume. Knowing EBS' usual high standards I bet these are a killer amp, I'd love to try one. The 90w rating doesn't put me off, I've gigged with less so it wouldn't be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloc Riff Nut Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 A shame its so far away. Even too far for the family up by the Lake District. Anyway, just replaced the preamp tube( jjecc83) in my Fafner with a Mullard 12AX7 and its sounding really nice. Creamy overdrive, lovely. [quote name='Roland Rock' timestamp='1387188370' post='2309035'] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EBS-Classic-T90-tube-bass-amp-/370960322946 Bit of a trek from Holland though :-( [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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