What cab to go with a Shuttle 9.0

[Ghost_Bass]

Hi, i'm waiting for the arrival of my new 9.0 within a couple of weeks. I've decided that i'm going for Alex's cabs to go with it but still haven't decided wich:

Amp:
Shuttle 9.0: 500@8Ohm or 900W@4Ohm

Cabs:
Midget T: 600W@8Ohm
Supertwelvw T: 1000W@4Ohm

My current financial situation does not alow me to get a barefaced cab for a couple of months but i need a cab to play. I'm not doing any big gigs having my band on a short pause to try and reinvent itself, mostly home practice and some quiet gigs with semi-accoustic guitars and a great drumer (does not play loud, knows his place in the song, a rarity!).

I also have the possibility to propose my local musicshop a trade of my Trace Elliot GP12-X 1x15" ([url="http://picasaweb.google.com/106572846091439162015/TraceElliot1215GP12X#slideshow/5509231183298746082"]pics[/url]) combo with a new cab.
Or perhaps Alex would be happy to accept it in a trade for a Supertwelve?!!...

I'm looking for your experience to sugest me a cab that would cope with the 9.0 and maybe some personal remarks over the models that may appear in this thread.
What i want in the cab:
- Light;
- Powerfull;
- Good sounding without signal colouration;
- Easy to sell in a near future without much loss of value;
- 8 or 4 Ohms, don´t think i'll need more than the 500W@8Ohms for a long time;

I'm finding my searches to lead me very often to the Promethean 110, what do you think of it? Will the cone blast out of the box with the first slap?
[url="http://www.thomann.de/gb/ibanez_p110c_promethean.htm"]http://www.thomann.de/gb/ibanez_p110c_promethean.htm[/url]

Thanks everyone in advance and sorry for the huge ammount of spelling and grammar mistakes i'm shurely posting

[Musicman20]

Personally, I would go and test before you buy it, if possible.

My all time favourite cabinet so far is the Aguilar DB212. Its fairly large and not light, but it is a sonic powerhouse. It does come with casters, has great resale value, and looks stunning. Very well built and has that Aguilar quality to it.

A 1x10 is worthless with that amp.

Id go for an absolute minimum of a quality high end 2x12 (4 or 8 ohms). Or 2 x 112.

Its a buyers market

[Conan]

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' post='964330' date='Sep 22 2010, 12:06 PM']My current financial situation does not alow me to get a barefaced cab for a couple of months but i need a cab to play.[/quote]

So what actually [i]is[/i] your budget?

[farmer61]

Give Mark at Bass Direct a call, he'd advise without the pressure of a sale!

[Ghost_Bass]

My current budget is 300€ (around 250£) to use in a trade plus the TE or to buy a used or new one. I realy don't mind having an underated cab because i want to sell it in a couple of months and get the Barefaced. I just need something to get me trough this period with the minimum quality and reliability and, like i said, can be easily moved with minimum value loss.
If anybody here has a cab for sale that could fill this mesures and is willing to ship to Portugal give me a notice

@Musicman20 - A friend of mine who's opinon i trust just told me he tried the head with Aguilar and EBS cabs (didn't specify wich of them) at a store and got the impression they didn't sound so good with the GB as they're own amps. He tolled me to get a Bergantino for it.

What about other kind of more "common" cab makes? GK, Hartke, SWR, Markbass,... anything good, compact and cheap?

Thanks for the replies so far

[gafbass02]

The promethean p110 cab is fab. Only 250w but very loud and punchy. And when it came time to sell I'd snap your hand off. I owned the promethean stack briefly and loved it. I'm using a midget T with a shuttle 9 as of yesterday (my compact is still at our guitards) I've only been able to use it in the house so far but I'm very pleased. I'd say though that when talking about 900w heads and 600w cabs at these small sizes it's still a very compromised sound at volume ime. It's not the same as running larger kit. BUT ive found It's loud enough and worth it once the load out comes round!

[Ghost_Bass]

[quote name='gafbass02' post='964535' date='Sep 22 2010, 02:52 PM']The promethean p110 cab is fab. Only 250w but very loud and punchy. And when it came time to sell I'd snap your hand off. I owned the promethean stack briefly and loved it. I'm using a midget T with a shuttle 9 as of yesterday (my compact is still at our guitards) I've only been able to use it in the house so far but I'm very pleased. I'd say though that when talking about 900w heads and 600w cabs at these small sizes it's still a very compromised sound at volume ime. It's not the same as running larger kit. BUT ive found It's loud enough and worth it once the load out comes round![/quote]

Isn't the Promethean p110 500W@8Ohm? That's the value on their specs...
Crank up that Midget and tell me how it sounds

[Musicman20]

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' post='964528' date='Sep 22 2010, 02:44 PM']@Musicman20 - A friend of mine who's opinon i trust just told me he tried the head with Aguilar and EBS cabs (didn't specify wich of them) at a store and got the impression they didn't sound so good with the GB as they're own amps. He tolled me to get a Bergantino for it.[/quote]

The Berg AE212 would be great with it no doubt. It would cost a fair bit but be top end.

Depends on tone goals I guess. Sorry I was trying to advise on cabs in general, not just for ones now. Id test what you can before you go ahead.

[Ghost_Bass]

[quote name='Musicman20' post='964547' date='Sep 22 2010, 03:06 PM'](...)
Id test what you can before you go ahead.[/quote]

I intend to do that but near where i live it's a bit hard to find top-end cabs, just the usual Ampeg-SWR-Warwick huge and heavy crap!

[chris_b]

Isn't this a stop gap cab until you can get the Barefacedbass cab? Surely the best option is to buy what's cheap and local to you.

[Musicman20]

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' post='964566' date='Sep 22 2010, 03:27 PM']I intend to do that but near where i live it's a bit hard to find top-end cabs, just the usual Ampeg-SWR-Warwick huge and heavy crap![/quote]

Ah I see.

I would actually suggest, from the massive amount of good reviews, that you check out the Genz Benz Neo X 212T. Even the cab gurus on Talkbass like it! I would take one of those with the Shuttle 9.0 and keep it!

Lightish, well regarded, and built well. Plus, well known manufacturer as you know.

Dont make weight the ONLY factor in buying a cab unless you absolutely must IMO.

Edited September 22, 2010 by Musicman20

[51m0n]

If this is a stop gap then get something as cheap as you can second hand.

If it isnt going to be very loud then it doesnt matter about the output of the amp - just turn it down if it sounds ugly (but you wont need to cos its only quiet acoustic gigs).

Alternatively borrow something from a mate....

[Ghost_Bass]

[quote name='chris_b' post='964573' date='Sep 22 2010, 03:30 PM']Isn't this a stop gap cab until you can get the Barefacedbass cab? Surely the best option is to buy what's cheap and local to you.[/quote]

Precisely what i'm loking for but i want to get a cheap one that i could sell quite easily. That's why i came here to search your knowlege

[quote name='Musicman20' post='964585' date='Sep 22 2010, 03:43 PM']Ah I see.

I would actually suggest, from the massive amount of good reviews, that you check out the Genz Benz Neo X 212T. Even the cab gurus on Talkbass like it! I would take one of those with the Shuttle 9.0 and keep it!

Lightish, well regarded, and built well. Plus, well known manufacturer as you know.

Dont make weight the ONLY factor in buying a cab unless you absolutely must IMO.[/quote]

You're right, but comming out of TE gear and having bought a head weighting a feather i realy am looking for a light cab.
I've seen the Neox 212T, she's the kind of cab i would buy to keep but the Supertwelve T looks so much better and has better specs in every point for a fairly smaller price...

I tink i'll take the TE to the store and see how much tey give me for it and what cabs they have available and recommend me.

In the meanwile if you know of any great deal within my lookings in here or e-bay send a PM.
I'll keep this up to date when i have more news. Keep those sugestions comming

Cheers

[gafbass02]

The p5110 is 500w into 4 ohms, each cab is rated at 8 ohms 250w. So just the head and cab or combo who'd only get you 250w. When I buy it again, and intend to I'll forget the combo (too heavy) and I don't like the little cable poking out the back affair, and instead go for two of the p110c cabs and the head...better and lighter!

[Ghost_Bass]

[quote name='51m0n' post='964598' date='Sep 22 2010, 03:51 PM']If this is a stop gap then get something as cheap as you can second hand.

If it isnt going to be very loud then it doesnt matter about the output of the amp - just turn it down if it sounds ugly (but you wont need to cos its only quiet acoustic gigs).

Alternatively borrow something from a mate....[/quote]

Yeah, i've thought about it. I'll see what comes up after making a few calls.

I want a cheap stop gap but with some sound quality so it can be true to my TRB-5PII trough the 9.0. Any builder making cheap quality uncolouring cabs (behringer, ashdown, laney)?

[51m0n]

If there were such a thing as a cheap light uncoloured cab capable of dealing with a large portion of wattage you'd have heard about it by now

The key requirement is cheap, and resaleable - you can kiss sound quality goodbye though, and forget anything that weighs less than half a tonne....

[Musicman20]

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' post='964606' date='Sep 22 2010, 04:03 PM']I've seen the Neox 212T, she's the kind of cab i would buy to keep but the Supertwelve T looks so much better and has better specs in every point for a fairly smaller price...[/quote]

Supertwelve T £675

GB Neo x 212T - [url="http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_specialists/Genz_Benz_Neox_Cabs.html"]http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_sp..._Neox_Cabs.html[/url] £655 on offer

Id take the Neo X 212T

[sk8]

[quote name='Musicman20' post='964626' date='Sep 22 2010, 04:26 PM']Id take the Neo X 212T[/quote]+100

[gafbass02]

I'd love a neox210 one day

[Ghost_Bass]

[quote name='Musicman20' post='964626' date='Sep 22 2010, 04:26 PM']Supertwelve T £675

GB Neo x 212T - [url="http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_specialists/Genz_Benz_Neox_Cabs.html"]http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_sp..._Neox_Cabs.html[/url] £655 on offer

Id take the Neo X 212T[/quote]

That doesn't show on the link! Only £857! All the others have the special offer undeneath the price! And she's "only" 600W@4Ohms and the Supertwelve will go up tp 1000W@4Ohms... I'm still very leaned to Alex's cabs for a keeper.

Oh!, just confirmed that the Promethean is only 250W... Thomann almost tricked me! That one is out of the list.

[chris_b]

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' post='964606' date='Sep 22 2010, 04:03 PM']....i want to get a cheap one that i could sell quite easily....[/quote]
It's a bit difficult to make suggestions when we don't know the local market in Portugal.

Do you have any second hand Peavey or Hartke cabs over there?

[Musicman20]

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' post='964675' date='Sep 22 2010, 05:21 PM']That doesn't show on the link! Only £857! All the others have the special offer undeneath the price! And she's "only" 600W@4Ohms and the Supertwelve will go up tp 1000W@4Ohms... I'm still very leaned to Alex's cabs for a keeper.

Oh!, just confirmed that the Promethean is only 250W... Thomann almost tricked me! That one is out of the list.[/quote]

Im not saying dont get it, just make sure you are 100%.

You will never need 1000W, and the Genz cabinet is excellently made, very road worthy but also pretty!

[url="http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_specialists/Genz_Benz_Neox_Cabs.html"]http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_sp..._Neox_Cabs.html[/url]

£675 including shipping to the EU.

Im just giving you options, that's all Please, don't just go on something through specs and power rating. That Genz cabinet is bomb proof and very desirable. If you ever tried to sell it, youd not lose a lot.

Plus, the Shuttle 9.0 and 212T is a combination people have been using since the 9.0 came out over on Talkbass. Good reviews and matching manufacturer.

Bloody hell I dont even have any Genz, so I dont know why im going on so much. If I didnt have the Aguilar and Markbass/TC, id have Genz gear.

[Ghost_Bass]

Thanks for the replies. I'll go serching and gather some more information and post my findings. I'm also considering using an EV EVM-15L i have sitting here and get a cab made for it with the plans of a T606 i got from the web. Looks like the cheapest solution for now and i'll get to keep the TE

Cheers

[Ghost_Bass]

New developments: I just got the opportunity to get a local GK Neo 212-II at a very reasonable price (don't know the exchange rate but around £350, new with 2-year waranty):

Features:
Impedance: 8 ohms
Power rating: 600 Watts
Woofer: 2xGK-Paragon 12B300-16, Cast Frame, 12",
300W, 16 ohm Neodymium
Tweeter: GK-Paragon 5H50-8
Frequency responce: 36Hz to 19 kHz + 5dB Sensitivity: 105dB
Cross over: HMS Bi-Amp/Full Range Switch, Horn
Power Limiter, L-Pad High Frequency Attenuator
Connectors: 1xHMS Compatible Bi-Amp/Full Range
Speakon, 1x1/4" (Full Range Only)
Construction: 11-Ply Poplar, Black Tolex, 16 Gauge
Steel Grill, Removable Nickel Plated Castors,
Custom Tooled Interlocking Corner System and Front Ported
weight: 64 lbs
Dimension: 20.8"W x 25.8"H x 16"D

[url="http://www.musicstore.de/en_EN/GBP/Basses/Bass-amps-cabinets/Gallien-Krueger-Neo-212-Cabinet-/art-BAS0001868-000"]Musicstore link[/url]

Can i get some opinions from you?
This looks like a cab that'll work for me in two ways, it'll let me know if the 500W@8ohms from the 9.0 are more than enough for my every gig needs and at the same time i'll find out if the 2x12" configuration and respective weight/size are portable enough for me. Knowing this i'll be able to choose more wisely if i'll go for Alex's Midget T or Supertwelve T and also have more time to gather some more funds as it would give me enough quality to gig for a few weeks.
For the price i'm getting it it'll be easy to sell it without much value lost.
As for the sound i can't try it because it has to be ordered but i've been reading some very good reviews on the web. Any input here would be much appreciated.

I'm not so shure on what model this cab is... i've seen 3 kinds of pictures on the net for the Neo 212's and the difference is in the logo, my shearchs returned the picture above (the same in GK's site) and these:


The store selling it clearly says it's a GK Neo 212-II, so would be the one on the first picture!!?

Anybody knows the difference?

Cheers