Leonard Smalls Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 53 minutes ago, Mykesbass said: absolute blooming carnage. Where? Sounds like a nice mellow jazzy thang to me! Here's an example of building jazz carnage... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Leonard Smalls said: Where? Sounds like a nice mellow jazzy thang to me! Here's an example of building jazz carnage... I think (trying to listen on my phone at Heathrow arrivals hall) around 1.30 when drums double time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted July 12, 2022 Author Share Posted July 12, 2022 Listen to what AJ is doing at 6:28. There is an alto solo playing but listen to what AJ is doing in response!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 You see, this 👆 (in my opinion, naturally...) is exactly why Jazz has such a poor press (and that Berlin stuff doesn't help its case...). All this frenetic speeding towards no destination at all gives me the impression that far too much coffee has been consumed, with maybe other additives that accelerate the heart-rate and inspire panic in the performer. They all, indubitably, have talent in spades (yes, even Jeff...), but it is, it seems systematically, smothered and killed off by all this 'exhuberance'. OK, there are some that enjoy this, I grant, and there are even those, I'm told, who 'understand' what's going on (or purport to do so...). No, not for me, I'm afraid. I'm looking for far different qualities that that. Sorry. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted July 12, 2022 Author Share Posted July 12, 2022 It's all perfectly logical, Dad. You just need to pay attention. As my Dad always said 'I like it when they all stop at the same time'. 'Emeril Kicks It Up' is a shuffle with some great melodies. What's not to like? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bilbo said: It's all perfectly logical, Dad. You just need to pay attention. As my Dad always said 'I like it when they all stop at the same time'. 'Emeril Kicks It Up' is a shuffle with some great melodies. What's not to like? ... and I like it when they all stop. Period. It's quite difficult 'to pay attention' with my fingers in both ears to shut out the racket (and I'm deaf, so..!). 'Great melodies'..? Hmm... I'll get back to my Schubert and Joni Mitchell, I think. Edited July 12, 2022 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted July 12, 2022 Author Share Posted July 12, 2022 It's the finger in your ears, my friend. They are stopping you hearing the majestic beauty of the stuff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 I personally find the JBerlin and the Michael Camillo stuff all that bit wet, beautifully played as it all is. I'm actually the anti-Doug, while he wants all music to tend gently and tunefully toward Jefferson Airplane, I want it to veer wildly off-course, bumping into Suicidal Tendencies, Bootsy and Primus before crashing into Ronald Shannon Jackson and John Zorn... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilorius Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Jazz is not for listening and learning, but learning by listening. JAZZ can't be understood, it's unique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Bilbo said: It's the finger in your ears, my friend. They are stopping you hearing the majestic beauty of the stuff Beg pardon..? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) Great harmonising (plus some tight unison playing), terrific arranging, a decent bunch of players and some nice soloing. In the opinion of my ears, of course. Edited July 12, 2022 by lowdown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leonard Smalls Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 For those that like it a bit more Out There, here's Ornette with Jamaaladeen and a pink Kubicki (is it?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barking Spiders Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 In trying to 'get it' I've listened to a couple of dozen of the clips in this thread, But soz jazz fans. My taste in jazz starts with Django and ends with some of his 'disciples' e.g. Bireli Lagrene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 18 hours ago, Bilbo said: Listen to what AJ is doing at 6:28. There is an alto solo playing but listen to what AJ is doing in response!! Is that Blue Lou Marini, sat down next to the guy doing the alto solo? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share Posted July 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, MacDaddy said: Is that Blue Lou Marini, sat down next to the guy doing the alto solo? Yes - well spotted! Who the F is Blue Lou Marini? 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, Bilbo said: Yes - well spotted! Who the F is Blue Lou Marini? 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share Posted July 13, 2022 I did google him. I have never see the Blues Brothers movie but the net says this guy is a bog deal on the NY studio scene (as are many of the Camilo band). No surprises really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 18 hours ago, Dad3353 said: You see, this 👆 (in my opinion, naturally...) is exactly why Jazz has such a poor press (and that Berlin stuff doesn't help its case...). All this frenetic speeding towards no destination at all gives me the impression that far too much coffee has been consumed, with maybe other additives that accelerate the heart-rate and inspire panic in the performer. They all, indubitably, have talent in spades (yes, even Jeff...), but it is, it seems systematically, smothered and killed off by all this 'exhuberance'. OK, there are some that enjoy this, I grant, and there are even those, I'm told, who 'understand' what's going on (or purport to do so...). No, not for me, I'm afraid. I'm looking for far different qualities that that. Sorry. Totally agree. Just watch the two trumpet players at the beginning. Not every one will agree, but for me it's just a self-indulgent pissing contest. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, Bilbo said: I did google him. I have never see the Blues Brothers movie but the net says this guy is a bog deal on the NY studio scene (as are many of the Camilo band). No surprises really. He is not just about the Blues Brothers. Lou Marini is, or was, one of the top arrangers in New York. He's a very versatile musician and arranger. LM's session resume and general CV is really quite a mixed bag. Lou Marini - Wikipedia His 'Magic City Jazz Orchestra' is also pretty decent, it's not of the Michel Camilo Big Band standard, but still, some decent players in there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 hour ago, stevie said: it's just a self-indulgent pissing contest. Of course it is! Not like prog... And all those 70s fretw@nk rock guitarists were just keepin' it simple. And that bloody Liszt and his would-be mate, Paganini! Though personally, I love a bit of self-indulgence and subscribe via Eurosport to both types of pissing contest - high wee and long piddle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Leonard Smalls said: Of course it is! Not like prog... And all those 70s fretw@nk rock guitarists were just keepin' it simple. And that bloody Liszt and his would-be mate, Paganini! Though personally, I love a bit of self-indulgence and subscribe via Eurosport to both types of pissing contest - high wee and long piddle. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunion Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Never been that much of a jazz fan but I recently discovered Charles Mingus and his early stuff is growing on me 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p4ul Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Not a giant jazz fan but Staley Clarke at KOKO tonight was pretty AMAZEBALLS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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