Wil Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I have a confession to make. "The Heart of Saturday Night" by Tom Waits has made me reconsider my blanket hatred of all things jazz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakenewmanbass Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 [quote name='Wil' post='767772' date='Mar 8 2010, 12:00 PM']I have a confession to make. "The Heart of Saturday Night" by Tom Waits has made me reconsider my blanket hatred of all things jazz.[/quote] Mate the whole of 'Nighthawks at the Diner' is Jazz and it's brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 [quote name='jakesbass' post='767773' date='Mar 8 2010, 12:02 PM']Mate the whole of 'Nighthawks at the Diner' is Jazz and it's brilliant.[/quote] I've not got round to that one yet, but it's on the list. I've been working backwards from the industrial junkyard blues stuff, and was suprised what a pleasant departure HOSN was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted March 8, 2010 Author Share Posted March 8, 2010 Depends whether you want jazz bossa nova or Brazillian bossa nova but here goes: Joe Henderson - Double Rainbow (Nico Assumpcao, the real deal, on the Latin stuff and Christian McBride on some jazzier tracks - a fantastic CD) Eliane Elias Sings Jobim (Marc Johnson) Eliane Elias Plays Jobim (a different cd) (Marc Johnson) Eliane Elias - Bossa Nova Stories (March Johnson ---- p.s. Johnson is Eliane's husband) To Jobim with Love by Toninho Horta also, look for stuff by Dori Caymmi, Joao Bosco, Marissa Monte, Joyce, Maria Bethania, Caetano Veoloso, Gilberto Gil (his Acoustico dvd is great), Djavan - one of the great bossa bass players is a guy called Arthur Maia and he has recorded with Jorge Benjor, Gal Costa, Gilberto Gil, Lulu Santos, Caetano Veloso, Roberto Carlos, Martinho da Vila, Djavan, Milton Nascimento, Marisa Monte, Leila Pinheiro and César Camargo Mariano. Its a huge genre and you can spend years exploring its treasures. Its not all root, fifth, root, fifth. Its another 'less is more' genre and playing a great bossa groove is an art form. BUt, when you get it right, its one of those great, great 'pocket' feelings you get as a bass player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithless Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I'm after jazz bossa.. I'll check those you've mentioned, thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pkomor Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 [url="http://www.swanseajazzland.co.uk/"]A must for any south wales jazzers![/url] Laurence Cottle Big Band at swansea jazzland, insanly tight bigband! Theres some great stuff at [url="http://laurencecottle.com/listen/"]http://laurencecottle.com/listen/[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I've mentioned him before, but [b][color="#696969"]Peter King [/color][/b]is criminally lacking in the renown he deserves - and would probably have if he was from the States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted April 12, 2010 Author Share Posted April 12, 2010 Some new finds: Ipswich's Andi Hopggod has released a new CD with Steve Melling (p), Geoff Gascoyne (bs) and Sebastian De Krom (dr) in the rhythm section. Some great arrangements (I Fall In Love Too Easily in 5/4 works beautifully, Dulcinea is another highlight). Go to www.andihopgood.com for more details but the music can be heard on Spotify or via itunes. 12 tracks, great value for money. I got hold of an old Scott Colley trio cd (Bill Stewart and Chris Potter) that ticks all the boxes: it's called The Magic Line. Think Ornette Coleman but with a better horn player Other downloads I am enjoying include another Colley appearance on a Thomas Savy (bass clarinet) trio recording (French Suite) [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/French-Suite-Thomas-Savy/dp/B002RSH2MW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1271076119&sr=1-1"]http://www.amazon.co.uk/French-Suite-Thoma...6119&sr=1-1[/url] John Hicks - A Billy Strayhorn Songbook: Something To Live For. Marvellous trio with Dwayne Dolphin on bass [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Something-Live-John-Hicks/dp/B00000AGFM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1271076053&sr=1-1"]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Something-Live-Joh...6053&sr=1-1[/url] Joey Baron with John Taylor and Marc Johnson (Rosslyn) - saw them live a few years ago - the greatest arco sound I have ever heard on a bass that was built whilst Bach was still alive!! [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rosslyn-John-Taylor/dp/B00007KN2G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1271076081&sr=1-1"]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rosslyn-John-Taylo...6081&sr=1-1[/url] NOT enjoying McLaughlin with Hadrien Feraud - pointless flapping around - hard to play but really not worth the effort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 [quote name='Pkomor' post='768263' date='Mar 8 2010, 06:41 PM'][url="http://www.swanseajazzland.co.uk/"]A must for any south wales jazzers![/url] Laurence Cottle Big Band at swansea jazzland, insanly tight bigband! Theres some great stuff at [url="http://laurencecottle.com/listen/"]http://laurencecottle.com/listen/[/url][/quote] Laurence Cottle rules! Black Sabbath on a thread about Jazz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted April 12, 2010 Author Share Posted April 12, 2010 Just seeing your name, MacD, reminded me of another 'discovery' (I had this one ages ago but hadn't listened to it for a long time until last week when it caught my ear big time). Dave Murray's Latin Big Band: Now Is Another Time. [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Now-Another-Time-David-Murray/dp/B00007MB80/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1271083209&sr=1-1-fkmr0"]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Now-Another-Time-D...mp;sr=1-1-fkmr0[/url] Really, really strong playing. Loads of energy. Not a smooth big band like teh Viallge Vanguard or Bob Mintzer's unit. More like the Mingus Big Band, looser, more edgy. Very Latin based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldslapper Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 As a newbie to playing "jazz" (still struggling to define the genre) I have discovered some of the most beautifully crafted songs I have ever heard. I must admit to thinking that "Jazz" meant complicated tunes for show offs (just my opinion folks) and could listen to an album like "kind of blue" for 1 minute per track max. But having learned some songs recently for a band, I discovered "Autumn leaves, "Night & Day", "Georgia", "Ain't Misbehavin", "Lullaby of Birdland" from great songsmiths like George Shearing, Fats Waller, Cole Porter. No fret w*****g, just beautiful melodies over equally well thought out chord progressions which relate equally to the lyrics. I do understand why people like the type of "jazz" which involves stunning solo's and weird and wonderful (to me) chord changes/progressions, but just like any "genre", I've discovered a side of "jazz" that appeals to me. Hope this makes sense to someone?? I guess I like a good song s'pose and have too short an attention span to like anything too complicated for my small brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urb Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 [quote name='oldslapper' post='803868' date='Apr 12 2010, 04:15 PM']As a newbie to playing "jazz" (still struggling to define the genre) I have discovered some of the most beautifully crafted songs I have ever heard. I must admit to thinking that "Jazz" meant complicated tunes for show offs (just my opinion folks) and could listen to an album like "kind of blue" for 1 minute per track max. But having learned some songs recently for a band, I discovered "Autumn leaves, "Night & Day", "Georgia", "Ain't Misbehavin", "Lullaby of Birdland" from great songsmiths like George Shearing, Fats Waller, Cole Porter. No fret w*****g, just beautiful melodies over equally well thought out chord progressions which relate equally to the lyrics. I do understand why people like the type of "jazz" which involves stunning solo's and weird and wonderful (to me) chord changes/progressions, but just like any "genre", I've discovered a side of "jazz" that appeals to me. Hope this makes sense to someone?? I guess I like a good song s'pose and have too short an attention span to like anything too complicated for my small brain. [/quote] Don't worry - jazz is a vast genre that for such a small word offers almost endless variations - and yes even I as a devotee to the music probably hate more jazz than I love - but once you find the stuff you like then it's just a case of following that one artist, looking at who they are influenced by (or even just checking out the guys in their band and seeing who they have worked with) and you'll discover more stuff like that. All show off stuff is just one side of this music, the classic standards you mention have been played and recorded thousands and thousands of times, each one slightly or very different from the previous one... A great place to really discover the sheer size of the genre and its vast Family Tree is on the All Music Guide: [url="http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=73:196"]http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=73:196[/url] Discovering more of what you like often comes from following a particular instrumentalist - I'm into loads of genres of music thanks to just following the work of bassists I like - and it just so happens there are hundreds of amazing bassists in jazz... need I say more? Hope that helps - and don't worry about a lack of knowledge - Youtube and All music guide are phenomenal places to hear endless amounts of great music - and check out the free MP3s on Laurence Cottle's website - he's an absolute monster and his bands totally kick ass.. M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldslapper Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Thanks M. That's really helpful. Looking at my post, I sound a bit of a jazz "ludite". I do appreciate the more complex material and the sheer brilliance of the musicianship, I just can't listen to it for too long. Having said that I have a Yellow Jackets album/dvd which I do enjoy watching now and again. It's just I've felt a little lost and overwhelmed when the guys in the quartet talk about the music they listen to, so I'll check out that link. Basschat does the biz again. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 [quote name='Bilbo' post='803839' date='Apr 12 2010, 03:41 PM']Just seeing your name, MacD, reminded me of another 'discovery' (I had this one ages ago but hadn't listened to it for a long time until last week when it caught my ear big time). Dave Murray's Latin Big Band: Now Is Another Time. [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Now-Another-Time-David-Murray/dp/B00007MB80/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1271083209&sr=1-1-fkmr0"]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Now-Another-Time-D...mp;sr=1-1-fkmr0[/url] Really, really strong playing. Loads of energy. Not a smooth big band like teh Viallge Vanguard or Bob Mintzer's unit. More like the Mingus Big Band, looser, more edgy. Very Latin based.[/quote] what with Laurence Cottle's involvement in Black Sabbath, I wondered if that was going to be Iron Maiden's Dave Murray There is precedence, Alex Skolnick from thrash band Testament originally left them to play jazz, and formed The Alex Skolnick Trio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted April 17, 2010 Author Share Posted April 17, 2010 And there was Andy Summers cdof Mingus tunes. Vernon Reid from Living Colour was ex-Ronald Shannon Jackson's Decodingf Society and went on to play on Hal Wiliner's Mingus/Paitch tribute, Weird Nightmare (superb stuff). Steve Vai has appeared on Al DiMeola's recordings. Jack Bruce has as much of a jazz presence as he does a rock one. Colin Towns of Gillan fame has had a long career as a jazzer (form 'I'll Rip Your Spine Out' to tv themes and big band arrangements). Neil Peart's Buddy Rich tribute big band, Bill Bruford, ex-Yes, is all jazz. The list is pretty long. I guess it depends on where your definitions of rock and jazz start and stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 yeah, Marty Friedman's Exotic Metal Lead Guitar tuition video, is pretty much applying jazz theory to metal without calling it jazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blamelouis Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Check out Lee Ritenours "6-string theory" Most musical thing he has down in years. [url="http://www.amazon.com/6-String-Theory/dp/B003T70EWA"]http://www.amazon.com/6-String-Theory/dp/B003T70EWA[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathpanda Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 For me, no other genre comes close to jazz because I don't think of jazz as a genre (fusion, at least). It's a bunch of musicians being in the moment and feeling it, it lasts for as long as it wants and is never the same, you can't put a label on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teen t-shirt Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 [quote name='deathpanda' post='884368' date='Jul 2 2010, 09:44 PM']For me, no other genre comes close to jazz because I don't think of jazz as a genre (fusion, at least). It's a bunch of musicians being in the moment and feeling it, it lasts for as long as it wants and is never the same, you can't put a label on that.[/quote] Hoorah to that man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted July 6, 2010 Author Share Posted July 6, 2010 Just listening to 'Miles Ahead', the first Gil Evans/Miles Davis collaboration. Great, great stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithless Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 1957? I struggle to find Gil Evans name between that horde of trumpetists, and other folks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foal30 Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I got Blues and Roots - Charlie Mingus'for my birthday last week it's a comp/reissue from Atlantic it's joyous. the first cut is called Wednesday Night Prayer Meeting and I can worship this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blamelouis Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Got a copy of Phantom navigator by Wayne Shorter ...excellent album . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blamelouis Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Just looking up Wayne Shorter on youtube. This is a FANTASTIC performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 Been listening to Sun Ra. Challenging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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