looking to blend clean and dirty signals?

[0175westwood29]

need to blend a couple of effects with my clean tone, or maybe just two effects?

can one or a couple of ls-2's do this?

andy

[xgsjx]

Have you tried your FX loop?

On the LMII there is a jumper inside that allows you to have the FX loop series or parallel, does the DB 750 have something similar?

[Gareth Hughes]

A Boss LS-2 can do what you're asking BUT you can run into problems if your clean signal and the effect are out of phase with each other. Some Electro Harmonix pedals have their phase set opposite the likes of Boss/MXR/EBS. If you're phase is fine, then the LS-2 is a great pedal for blending effects. Otherwise, I've had great results with a Barge Concepts VB-Jr.

[Silent Fly]

[url="http://www.sfxsound.co.uk/mainpage.asp?page=sm"][sfx] S&M[/url]?

[xgsjx]

[quote name='Silent Fly' post='1048693' date='Dec 5 2010, 08:34 PM'][url="http://www.sfxsound.co.uk/mainpage.asp?page=sm"][sfx] S&M[/url]?[/quote]
That's a handy wee pedal. What a brilliant idea!

[0175westwood29]

[quote name='xgsjx' post='1048288' date='Dec 5 2010, 03:03 PM']Have you tried your FX loop?

On the LMII there is a jumper inside that allows you to have the FX loop series or parallel, does the DB 750 have something similar?[/quote]

id totally forgot about this!

ok so ill try that at practice!

so im now thinking of getting an ls-2 to switch the effects in the loop will this work? also just checking that i need it in series for stomp boxes yeh?

andy

[0175westwood29]

just been looking on the net, and it says to stay away from distortion in your effects loop?

anyone know about the phase of a ehx metal muff? as thats what i want to blend in with my clean signal?

andy

[Mr. Foxen]

Phase issues tend to kill lows, and since there aren't any lows in a metal muff, it shouldn't be too destructive in a blend, but it would be interesting to wire up a phase reversed patch lead to see what odds it made.

[0175westwood29]

ok cool that sounds fine.

is there any truth to what i heard about gain based effects going in the effects loop? im gonna mix a metal muff in using the effects loop?

andy

[Mr. Foxen]

Gain based stuff is a bit reliant on input/output signal levels and impedance. The FX loop has a tendency to be line (loud) level, and expect that same loudness to be put back in, but gain pedals tend to be more gainy with more going in and output the same signal, so they might all disagree and give you a very distroted, but very quiet signal, plus the impedance mismatch might make it very thin too (but I don't understand how that works).

[0175westwood29]

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='1052306' date='Dec 9 2010, 12:41 AM']Gain based stuff is a bit reliant on input/output signal levels and impedance. The FX loop has a tendency to be line (loud) level, and expect that same loudness to be put back in, but gain pedals tend to be more gainy with more going in and output the same signal, so they might all disagree and give you a very distroted, but very quiet signal, plus the impedance mismatch might make it very thin too (but I don't understand how that works).[/quote]

ok i think i get that!

ill try that at practice, tried blending the metal muff with clean using my ls-2 today sounds awesome!

think im gonna hook myself up with another ls-2 in the new year so i can switch between the blended muff and probs another blended effect.

andy

[Guest jbarks]

Actually, if you're concerned about phase etc, your best bet is the Radial BigShot Mix. Has a phase switch, unity gain buffer (i.e. not line level, just whatever you put into it, and you don't have to worry about impedance) and a level control for your effects:

[url="http://www.tonebone.com/re-bigshot-mix.htm"]http://www.tonebone.com/re-bigshot-mix.htm[/url]

HOWEVER you should check what pedals you're putting in; some of them like the Wooly Mammoth don't take kindly to low-impedance buffered signals. If this is the case and your blender is buffered you should get something with a transformer inside that converts it back to a high-impedance signal (I think Toasted on TB was selling these a while back, I have #1!), or get a passive blender.

Edited December 12, 2010 by jbarks

[0175westwood29]

[quote name='jbarks' post='1056202' date='Dec 12 2010, 05:00 PM']Actually, if you're concerned about phase etc, your best bet is the Radial BigShot Mix. Has a phase switch, unity gain buffer (i.e. not line level, just whatever you put into it, and you don't have to worry about impedance) and a level control for your effects:

[url="http://www.tonebone.com/re-bigshot-mix.htm"]http://www.tonebone.com/re-bigshot-mix.htm[/url]

HOWEVER you should check what pedals you're putting in; some of them like the Wooly Mammoth don't take kindly to low-impedance buffered signals. If this is the case and your blender is buffered you should get something with a transformer inside that converts it back to a high-impedance signal (I think Toasted on TB was selling these a while back, I have #1!), or get a passive blender.[/quote]

what is the deal with phase issues? what will it do to the sound?

andy

[Mr. Foxen]

[quote name='0175westwood29' post='1060047' date='Dec 15 2010, 09:08 PM']what is the deal with phase issues? what will it do to the sound?

andy[/quote]

Scoop a chunk out of your frequency response somewhere, depending on the degree it is out of phase.

[bass_ennyday]

i´m now at blender #3 .... i had the Boss LS-2 and the Radial BigShot Mix before .... for basic blending they are just fine, BUT you should really take a look at the Xotic X-Blender and look at the features: [url="http://www.xotic.us/effects/x_blender/"]http://www.xotic.us/effects/x_blender/[/url]

The X-Blender is the most important "effect" pedal on my board.