Early Stranglers/JJ Burnel bass sound on an Ampeg ?

[PaulWarning]

[quote name='lojo' post='1130804' date='Feb 17 2011, 11:55 AM']I posted this yesterday on another thread, its from the era of "that sound"

Obviously there is the mime issue, but is this a bass he was getting that sound from too?

Anyone know the story here, of have I got something wrong?


[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6yTRq_rJg4...feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6yTRq_rJg4...feature=related[/url][/quote]

They're miming alright, and no that's not the famous bass that one was green

[Algae]

[quote name='lojo' post='1130804' date='Feb 17 2011, 11:55 AM']I posted this yesterday on another thread, its from the era of "that sound"

Obviously there is the mime issue, but is this a bass he was getting that sound from too?

Anyone know the story here, of have I got something wrong?


[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6yTRq_rJg4...feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6yTRq_rJg4...feature=related[/url][/quote]

That's interesting - Hiwatt head and a Marshall 412 , hmmmmmmmmmm

Edited February 17, 2011 by Algae

[Musky]

[quote name='Lozz196' post='1130744' date='Feb 17 2011, 11:12 AM']Yes, spot on. Using various amps through my Marshall VBC 412 has been the nearest I`ve ever been able to get to it, but there was still something not "there" - probably the split cone sound, plus not using a 70s heavy P-Bass with maple neck..

A lot of people seem to forget that there was an incredible amount of presence in JJs sound, which is unlikely to be replicated with 1 or 2 speakers. Plus, there was a lot of bass in there, but because of the distortion and treble, again, this seems to get overlooked. His sound had plenty of bottom end to it.[/quote]
I've got to admit I didn't really think that there was a lot of bass in his sound. He was using guitar cabs, notably Hiwatt and Marshall (Marshall cabs were used a lot - I remember him using Marshall cabs and plenty of early footage has Marshall more in evidence than Hiwatt). Now 70's Marshall cabs bass response fell off a cliff at about 100hz, but also had very strong low mids. He could do want he wanted with the bass eq, but none of it was going to emanating from his 4x12. Though interestingly it would have pushed the drivers hard.

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Of course what we hear on record or DI'ed through a PA may have had plenty of bottom end in there. Which may make obsessing over his rig a little pointless.

[PaulWarning]

in an interview with the producer of the first 3? albums, Martin Rushent, he stated he got the sound by micing up the cab with the amp mid and treble turned right up and then DI'd it to give it some bottom end, of course, the green P was still needed to nail 'that' sound methinks

[Low End Bee]

[quote name='lojo' post='1130804' date='Feb 17 2011, 11:55 AM']I posted this yesterday on another thread, its from the era of "that sound"

Obviously there is the mime issue, but is this a bass he was getting that sound from too?

Anyone know the story here, of have I got something wrong?


[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6yTRq_rJg4...feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6yTRq_rJg4...feature=related[/url][/quote]


The jazz, tele and amps are all hire equipment from Maurice Plaquet's, Uxbridge Rd, Shepherds Bush.

The Stranglers never used their own gear when miming on TOTP.

[lojo]

[quote name='Low End Bee' post='1132109' date='Feb 18 2011, 12:37 PM']The jazz, tele and amps are all hire equipment from Maurice Plaquet's, Uxbridge Rd, Shepherds Bush.

The Stranglers never used their own gear when miming on TOTP.[/quote]


Nice fact

Are we to assume that JJ never played a jazz back then, but perhaps that was the closet bass to his look on hire that day?

[Spike Vincent]

Bear in mind that JJ's * Hiwatt was a 50w guitar head,and in the studio there was a shedload of compression.








*Coincedentally,my grandson's name.