I wanted to expand on my bass heroes thread......

[Bass_In_Yer_Face]

Hi guys

I wanted to open up my thred earlier about there being no modern bass heroes by stating that music since the turn of the century has been on the whole pretty crap.

Reading your posts on this board, it is obvious you guys are as passionate about your music as I am and I just wanted to see what you thought.

One of my mates is a guitarist and I was telling him about how there are no musicians inspiring kids to pick up the bass. He then pointed out that there aren't any guitar heroes either, the guys who made him want to start a rock band....Clapton/Hendrix/Beck/May/Vai/Slash...etc.

My music taste is totally eclectic and I can see that each decade had it's own merits


60's - Beatles, Stones,Motown,Floyd,Who,Doors
70's - Prog Rock (Led Zep, Yes), Glam Rock (Bowie, Bolan, Roxy Music), the rise of Punk (Pistols,Clash,Police, Stranglers), Disco, funk, New Wave (Talking Heads, Blondie)
80's - New Romantics(DUran Duran,Depeche Mode) Goth (Sisters Of Mercy,The Mission) Hip Hop, ALt Rock (The Cure, Pixes), Acid House, Baggy (Happy Mondays, Stone Roses)
90's - Grunge (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins), Brit Pop (The Whole Blur V Oasis thing), Electronica (orbital, Chemical Brothers)
00's - Simon Cowell's puppets, James Blunt and The Artic Monkeys....ffs

I guess what I am saying is that I want to be surprised by music but there is nothing. Everytime I hear a new band with a catchy single, you then discover that was the only track on the album worth listening to and end up skipping through the rest. You compare that to a band like The Jam for example, even their B-sides were worth listening to.

I had to laugh recently when another mate of mine was viewing some latest tuneless wonders on TV and exclaimed "Christ i've got album tracks by Squeeze better than this crap"


I don't want to be forever trawling back through time, trying to find bands I missed the first time around....where are the guys to pick up the flag and run with it?

Roger Daltrey recently stated that something really needed to shake up the music industry....another Sex Pistols he said. My God is he ever on the money.

I can't help but feel the kids of today are being badly short changed.

[Thunderthumbs]

The Jam were my favourite band when I was a kid. Not the first band I listened to, but the first one I [b]really[/b] latched onto. I could relate to them, they wrote and sang songs about the likes of me, for me. I was inspired by them. I was "Saturdays Kids", etc.

Bruce Foxton was the one person I wanted to emulate as a bass player. I've moved on an awful lot now and listen to lots of different styles. But without The Jam/Bruce Foxton, who knows whether I'd be playing these days?

So I really couldn't have put all your words any better myself.

I don't think recording contracts with todays bands are based around longevity. I think it's all the "production line pop" ethic that's just about seeing how much money can be made out of a band as quick as possible, and when the light fades, just move onto "the next big thing".

Edited January 28, 2008 by Thunderthumbs

[Jase]

Nooooo, not another Sex Pistols!!!! The way I see it is, anyone can be in a band these days, there's far too many "bands" about most of which are useless, there's no quality control. How can there possibly be any "heroes" or any songwriters with material that'll become classic when all that's being churned out is tripe?

[ARGH]

yeah and if you cant be in a band you make a record label or a distro

[Jester]

I'm not sure I agree. Out of interest: to those of you who grew up during the 60s and 70s, did you listen to the Stones or Led Zeppelin at the time and think, wow, this is the Future Of Rock, or were they just 'good' (for want of a better word) bands?

The reason I ask is that I think the majority of music (especially pop music) has always been bad - but there's some quality in every generation and as time passes, the crap fades from memory and you only remember the good stuff. It was Noel Gallagher who inspired me to take up the guitar (sorry - I haven't been playing bass long enough to have any real perspective on it ), and people talk about the Britpop days now as if the mid 90s was some kind of musical golden age, but it just wasn't the case - there were so many vacuous bands (Menswear anyone? Echobelly? Elastica?) jumping on the Oasis bandwagon that, despite the fact that there was definitely some great stuff going on, the signal-to-noise ratio was terrible. And yes it sold well, but I don't remember thinking at the time that Definitely Maybe was a future classic - it was just an album I liked. It's only now that the dust has settled that I can look back and think, yeah, actually it was pretty awesome.

It's easy to look around and think 'not as good as it was in my day', but come on - EVERY generation says this about EVERYTHING. Yes, mainstream commercial pop is largely horrible, but it always has been, and comparing Jimi Hendrix with Leona Lewis is like shooting fish in a barrel.

I genuinely believe that there's never been a better time to be a music fan. Computers and the internet are completely changing how music is made and distributed - anyone with a few hundred quid to spare can buy production equipment that musicians from even a few decades ago would have sold their own grandparents into slavery for, and then they can immediately release their songs to a GLOBAL audience for practically nothing. I can go online and within minutes be listening to any style of music from anywhere in the world, and I don't have to put up with a record company force feeding me through the radio ever again. Of course there's still a lot of rubbish out there, but that's an inevitable consequence of the fact that good music is bloody hard to make, yet loads of people want to have a crack at it. And more power to them - the more music there is available, the more gems there are to find.

And for what it's worth, there's a ton of modern guitar players (again, sorry for the guitar talk - it's all I know!) who would be inspiring me to start playing if I didn't already. Matt Bellamy from Muse, John Frusciante from the Chili Peppers, Adam Jones from Tool, Mikael Åkerfeldt from Opeth, the Amott brothers from Arch Enemy, James Root from Stone Sour, Fredrik Thordendal from Meshuggah... and they're just some of the rock players! Oh, and the bassists who are most responsible for me deciding to start learning bass properly (Ethan Farmer and Mike Elizondo) are touring and recording today.

Edited January 29, 2008 by Jester

[Doc B]

[quote name='Bass_In_Yer_Face' post='129643' date='Jan 28 2008, 10:51 PM']Hi guys

I wanted to open up my thred earlier about there being no modern bass heroes by stating that music since the turn of the century has been on the whole pretty crap.[/quote]

Isn't this a repeat of a previous episode of Grumpy Old Bassmen that we've had on here before?

I'd agree to some extent that there does seem to be a lack of inspiring rock bands around just now but I tend to put that down to my advancing age and the changeable nature of music scenes, fashions or whatever. I was inspired to play by hearing bands like New Order, Faith No More, Therapy, Fishbone, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Living Colour, STP, Radiohead, RHCP, RATM etc in my late teens and early twenties. Most of my favourite albums are from 1985-1995. I think that has more to do with youthful enthusiasm though.

IMO there's been plenty of great music around since 2000 - but I don't just listen to rock artists. Goldfrapp, Muse, Audioslave, Elbow, Doves, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Regina Spector, Cold War Kids, Isobel Campbell, Jose Gonzalez, and Mark Lanegan, System of a Down and countless others have produced fantastic music in the last few years.

I've listened pretty much exclusively to BBC 6 Music for the last 3 years as Radio 1 died for me when Mark and Lard left.

I'm quite proud of the fact that I didn't hear Rhianna's Umbrella song until I was in a pub in December and I had to use Google to find out who Leona Lewis is and I've still never heard one of her songs all the way through.

Mainstream chart music has never really been that good IMO but I'm prepared to accept that I am old and out of step with the musical trends and the youth of today - I've just turned 34.

'Yer old, yer old, yer old, yer old' - Gary Stringer, Reef, 1997

[Bass_In_Yer_Face]

[quote name='Doc B' post='129753' date='Jan 29 2008, 08:16 AM']Isn't this a repeat of a previous episode of Grumpy Old Bassmen that we've had on here before?

I'd agree to some extent that there does seem to be a lack of inspiring rock bands around just now but I tend to put that down to my advancing age and the changeable nature of music scenes, fashions or whatever. I was inspired to play by hearing bands like New Order, Faith No More, Therapy, Fishbone, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Living Colour, STP, Radiohead, RHCP, RATM etc in my late teens and early twenties. Most of my favourite albums are from 1985-1995. I think that has more to do with youthful enthusiasm though.

IMO there's been plenty of great music around since 2000 - but I don't just listen to rock artists. Goldfrapp, Muse, Audioslave, Elbow, Doves, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Regina Spector, Cold War Kids, Isobel Campbell, Jose Gonzalez, and Mark Lanegan, System of a Down and countless others have produced fantastic music in the last few years.

I've listened pretty much exclusively to BBC 6 Music for the last 3 years as Radio 1 died for me when Mark and Lard left.

I'm quite proud of the fact that I didn't hear Rhianna's Umbrella song until I was in a pub in December and I had to use Google to find out who Leona Lewis is and I've still never heard one of her songs all the way through.

Mainstream chart music has never really been that good IMO but I'm prepared to accept that I am old and out of step with the musical trends and the youth of today - I've just turned 34.

'Yer old, yer old, yer old, yer old' - Gary Stringer, Reef, 1997

Think Gary Stringer is probably regretting saying that as he is probably pretty old himself now.....lol..."would you like fries with that sir?"....first album was pretty good mind.[/quote]

Edited January 29, 2008 by Bass_In_Yer_Face

[BigRedX]

I a way both Jase and Jester have hit the nail on the head...

Two things have happened: firstly the means of distribution of music and the dissemination of music has shifted. Secondly it's easier to create 'contemporary' music both from access to resources and encouragement.

When I started to get seriously interested in music in the mid-70s there were 3 weekly inkies easily available in the UK. As well as he standard pop fare served by daytime radio 1 there was Peel and Freeman. Punk and New Wave caused that to explode. Fanzines and self-pressed singles. It was much easier to create and distribute your music, but you still needed a certain amount of drive and money in order to actually produce something, and it's continued to be like this until the mid-90s.

All of a sudden anyone with a web connection and a tracker program can create music and get it out for other people to hear. Even guitars and drums are cheaper in real terms than they've ever been. The cr@ppiest starter pack sub £100 instrument is light years ahead in terms of construction playability and sound compared with the Woolies specials we started with. In real terms what you would have paid for the original PortaStudio when it first came out will now buy you a computer, a really good DAW app and probably a handful of extra instrument and processor plug-ins.

And there, in a way, is both the revolution and the problem. There's still proportionally just as much good new music out there, but there's so much more of it generally that there's even more rubbish to wade through to get to the good stuff. Also in this explosion of music and the fragmentation of the means of distribution, the traditional means of getting the information has struggled to keep up. Of the 3 inkies only NME has survived and that's by becoming a pale shadow of what it used to be. Radio 1 haven't even been able to replace Freemnan let alone Peel. Music classification has also become a victim to this fragmentation. Has anyone ever tried to browse for a CD in the Rough Trade shop (or any other specialist outlet)? The sub-sub-sub categorisation of the CDs means that in many cases it's easier to go and ask for a CD from one of the assistants rather than try to figure out where it might actually be on the racks.

IMO the revolution Roger Daltry wanted has already happened but it's not a (single) musical style, it's in the increased access to quality music production facilities and the ability to be able get your music to the ears of your audience.

[nick]

[quote name='Bass_In_Yer_Face' post='129643' date='Jan 28 2008, 10:51 PM']Hi guys

I wanted to open up my thred earlier about there being no modern bass heroes by stating that music since the turn of the century has been on the whole pretty crap.

Reading your posts on this board, it is obvious you guys are as passionate about your music as I am and I just wanted to see what you thought.

One of my mates is a guitarist and I was telling him about how there are no musicians inspiring kids to pick up the bass. He then pointed out that there aren't any guitar heroes either, the guys who made him want to start a rock band....Clapton/Hendrix/Beck/May/Vai/Slash...etc.

My music taste is totally eclectic and I can see that each decade had it's own merits


60's - Beatles, Stones,Motown,Floyd,Who,Doors
70's - Prog Rock (Led Zep, Yes), Glam Rock (Bowie, Bolan, Roxy Music), the rise of Punk (Pistols,Clash,Police, Stranglers), Disco, funk, New Wave (Talking Heads, Blondie)
80's - New Romantics(DUran Duran,Depeche Mode) Goth (Sisters Of Mercy,The Mission) Hip Hop, ALt Rock (The Cure, Pixes), Acid House, Baggy (Happy Mondays, Stone Roses)
90's - Grunge (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins), Brit Pop (The Whole Blur V Oasis thing), Electronica (orbital, Chemical Brothers)
00's - Simon Cowell's puppets, James Blunt and The Artic Monkeys....ffs

I guess what I am saying is that I want to be surprised by music but there is nothing. Everytime I hear a new band with a catchy single, you then discover that was the only track on the album worth listening to and end up skipping through the rest. You compare that to a band like The Jam for example, even their B-sides were worth listening to.

I had to laugh recently when another mate of mine was viewing some latest tuneless wonders on TV and exclaimed "Christ i've got album tracks by Squeeze better than this crap"


I don't want to be forever trawling back through time, trying to find bands I missed the first time around....where are the guys to pick up the flag and run with it?

Roger Daltrey recently stated that something really needed to shake up the music industry....another Sex Pistols he said. My God is he ever on the money.

I can't help but feel the kids of today are being badly short changed.[/quote]

That's a good list actually.
I would have included Velvet Underground, New Order, possibly Jesus & the Marychain, & most definitely; the Smiths.
Regarding the latter band & your reference to guitarists; Johnny Marr has & is still inspiring generations to pick up the guitar, through Noel Gallagher & others, to even stuff he's doing now with Modest Mouse.
Music scene could do with a kick up the arse of some kind & not too soon. Last one (IMO) was Acid House, prior to that Punk.
Though, have to agree with you; at the moment there doesn't seem to be any 'cool' players around.
Maybe we've become jaded, grumpy old bassplayers or very possibly we were spoilt rotten back in the day(?)

[Jase]

What I also find sad, is we hardly ever go to record shops anymore, I used to love delving through all the albums. I DON'T DO IT ANYMORE!!!!! shame on me!! Being able to buy the finished product, was in my opinion what is was all about...having the actual album in my hand was a great feeling, now I just buy certain tracks or have copies given to me, I'll admit it I've become so lazy. I can't actually remember the last time I bought a real, 3D, "proper" album from a shop...I disgust myself ..but I put it down to the fact that there's not much out there worth buying

[BigRedX]

Record shops suffer from the same problem - there's simply too much new music being produced these days for them to keep up. Plus over 50 years of back-catalogue to contend with.

Unless your musical tastes happen to co-incide with a local specialist shop or you like what Radio 1/commercial stations play thses days you're going to be out of luck. Plus with the sub-categorisation of musical genres it's being increasingly difficult to actually find anything anymore without asking one of the assistants.

The majority of people using this site regularly and commenting in threads like these are going to be taking their music a bit more seriously than the average listener. I still buy from my local 'indie' shop but nowadays they are only able to supply a fraction of the CDs I'm after. The internet has made it simpler to go directly to the band's or record company's web sites and buy directly from there.

[Bilbo]

I agree - the industry has changed beyond recognition. I think the market is so disparate but believe that another one of the factors we rarely note is the increasing absence of touring live bands.

I used to go out every weekend to see live bands in small venues across S. Wales and the B Bristol area. I used to see Iron Maiden, Yes and loads of other name bands t Colston Hall, bands like IQ, Solstice and Pendragon at the Granary in Bristol, Gillan, Magnum or Rory Gallagher at the Cardiff Top Rank (leave me alone, I was a kid!), The Enid at Cardiff students Union etc. I used to regularly see credible US, European & Canadian bands (Rush, April Wine, Frank Marino) who travelled to the UK and TOURED! 2000 seater venues, clubs, small and large festivals etc - and I got all this on piss poor money. Nowadays, these venues don't deliver this kind of ready diet (or anything like it). All of the bands we hear about play stadiums and massive London venues and most bands don't tour to the extent that they used to. Rock n Roll has become the voice of corporate America, of 4 major labels and an infrastructure that demands million sellers or death. The cost of seeing most of these bands is out of my grasp and I earn more now than I ever have!

I think the call for a new Punk is about kids making the noise in garages and making it happen at that level and not just seeing the whole thing as a corporate investment requiring a precentage return. I actually know a ludicrous number of musicians that never perform live - I think its a crying shame!

[Thunderthumbs]

[quote name='bilbo230763' post='129877' date='Jan 29 2008, 11:12 AM']I used to go out every weekend to see live bands in small venues...[/quote]
Yeah, I think back to years ago at venues such as The International and International 2, The Gallery, The Boardwalk, etc. etc. in Manchester.

I saw many bands in these little venues. I even saw Duran Duran at the International 2 when I went with a mate who was a fan, as it was a "secret" gig that he found out about. They weren't one of my fav bands, but I really enjoyed it purely because of the venue.

I saw The Icicle Works, It Bites, Ellis Beggs & Howard, The Cardiacs and more at The International.

I saw Roachford at The Boardwalk when there were only about 50 people in the place before "Cuddly Toy" was released.

I saw The Smiths at The Hacienda the night they did their first Top Of The Pops performance, and had to travel back by train, so they didn't go on til after midnight.

I've seen Marcus Miller at Sankeys Soap, and Manchester University.

And I've seen plenty of bands like The Jam, Madness, Limp Bizkit, etc. etc. at The Apollo which was the main place for gigs back in the 70s/80s, but even now is probably classed as a smaller venue. It saddens me to think that you rarely get to see decent bands at places like The Apollo now, as their management/record companies pretty much dictate that they do one night at the MEN Arena to 20,000 people rather than a string of nights at a smaller venue like the Apollo with 2000 people a night in. Sadly, it's all about the cash. Back in the 70s/80s, The Jam would've done 2-3 nights there. Hell, I even saw Stanley Clarke & George Duke at The Apollo!!

[BigRedX]

Which is ironic when you consider that the technology now exists and as pretty affordable for you to be able create almost any kind of music from the most complex electronica to simple single instrument and voice in a live situation with ease and fidelity of sound.

[Bass_In_Yer_Face]

[quote name='Jase' post='129835' date='Jan 29 2008, 10:23 AM']What I also find sad, is we hardly ever go to record shops anymore, I used to love delving through all the albums. I DON'T DO IT ANYMORE!!!!! shame on me!! Being able to buy the finished product, was in my opinion what is was all about...having the actual album in my hand was a great feeling, now I just buy certain tracks or have copies given to me, I'll admit it I've become so lazy. I can't actually remember the last time I bought a real, 3D, "proper" album from a shop...I disgust myself ..but I put it down to the fact that there's not much out there worth buying [/quote]


Strange that I have an interivew in London this afternoon and intended spending the early part of the afternoon trawling 'proper' record shops in London

[ARGH]

What can I say..its simple

Deal with it by doing something about it.

I am.

[chris_b]

I agree with the other posts. You used to get inspiration by seeing great bands up close. The Marquee in London was a 200 people venue, I've got a flyer for just one month, August 1966, with The Who, David Bowie (twice), The Move (every Thursday), Cream and John Mayall!

The media was very small back then. You had to be good, talented, different or just plain outrageous to get noticed. You couldn’t make a record unless you were good and it wouldn't get played unless it was even better (I am not making any personal judgements here). The Cr*p filters just worked. Now anyone can write, record and release a record by themselves. At least one of the thousands of magazines will cover you, Radio XYZ will play it and your audience will not have very much to aspire to. It's a downward spiral.

Music now is a "commodity", aural wallpaper, the musical equivalent of paint by numbers. These days the people in the music business are so "ordinary" because comedy, big city trading, film, TV etc has taken the lively, naughty and original talents. Unfortunately music seems to be left with the rest!

Edited January 29, 2008 by chris_b

[Jase]

[quote name='chris_b' post='129915' date='Jan 29 2008, 12:02 PM']I agree with the other posts. You used to get inspiration by seeing great bands up close. The Marquee in London was a 200 people venue, I've got a flyer for just one month, August 1966, with The Who, David Bowie (twice), The Move (every Thursday), Cream and John Mayall!

The media was very small back then. You had to be good, talented, different or just plain outrageous to get noticed. You couldn’t make a record unless you were good and it wouldn't get played unless it was even better (I am not making any personal judgements here). The Cr*p filters just worked. Now anyone can write, record and release a record by themselves. At least one of the thousands of magazines will cover you, Radio XYZ will play it and your audience will not have very much to aspire to. It's a downward spiral.

Music now is a "commodity", aural wallpaper, the musical equivalent of paint by numbers. These days the people in the music business are so "ordinary" because comedy, big city trading, film, TV etc has taken the lively, naughty and original talents. Unfortunately music seems to be left with the rest![/quote]


Well said

[silverfoxnik]

[quote name='BigRedX' post='129769' date='Jan 29 2008, 08:42 AM']I a way both Jase and Jester have hit the nail on the head...

Two things have happened: firstly the means of distribution of music and the dissemination of music has shifted. Secondly it's easier to create 'contemporary' music both from access to resources and encouragement.

When I started to get seriously interested in music in the mid-70s there were 3 weekly inkies easily available in the UK. As well as he standard pop fare served by daytime radio 1 there was Peel and Freeman. Punk and New Wave caused that to explode. Fanzines and self-pressed singles. It was much easier to create and distribute your music, but you still needed a certain amount of drive and money in order to actually produce something, and it's continued to be like this until the mid-90s.

All of a sudden anyone with a web connection and a tracker program can create music and get it out for other people to hear. Even guitars and drums are cheaper in real terms than they've ever been. The cr@ppiest starter pack sub £100 instrument is light years ahead in terms of construction playability and sound compared with the Woolies specials we started with. In real terms what you would have paid for the original PortaStudio when it first came out will now buy you a computer, a really good DAW app and probably a handful of extra instrument and processor plug-ins.

And there, in a way, is both the revolution and the problem. There's still proportionally just as much good new music out there, but there's so much more of it generally that there's even more rubbish to wade through to get to the good stuff. Also in this explosion of music and the fragmentation of the means of distribution, the traditional means of getting the information has struggled to keep up. Of the 3 inkies only NME has survived and that's by becoming a pale shadow of what it used to be. Radio 1 haven't even been able to replace Freemnan let alone Peel. Music classification has also become a victim to this fragmentation. Has anyone ever tried to browse for a CD in the Rough Trade shop (or any other specialist outlet)? The sub-sub-sub categorisation of the CDs means that in many cases it's easier to go and ask for a CD from one of the assistants rather than try to figure out where it might actually be on the racks.

IMO the revolution Roger Daltry wanted has already happened but it's not a (single) musical style, it's in the increased access to quality music production facilities and the ability to be able get your music to the ears of your audience.[/quote]
+1 to this and what chris_b has said!

I think the issue about rock 'n' roll as an art form and major force of popular culture being 50+ years old has a lot to do with the fact that nothing new can come along and take us by surprise any more..

It would take something or someone so special to make me stop in my tracks and go 'wow' when I grew up on The Who / John Entwhistle, The Beatles / Macca, Floyd, Bowie, Queen, The Velvets, The Clash, Santana, Zappa, Hendrix, James Brown, Stevie Wonder, Bootsy Collins, Prince etc, etc..

I really like loads of music around at the moment, but in terms of huge, life-changing impact, let's face it, it just ain't going to happen! The new kids around are just reinventing the wheel... aren't they??

But then, I am just a grumpy old git in my 40s

[bassbloke]

thispost might come across as a bit rambling...

I find it a bit odd you saying there are no bass heroes any more when The Police, Led Zeppelin, Cream, Black Sabbath and Genesis, to name but 4 have all reformed and gigged in the past year.

What's more, a couple of huge metal bands, Metallica and Megadeth, have recruited name bassists in Rob Trujillo and James Lomenzo.

Modern bands like Muse,Mars Volta and Tool have incredibly prominent bass playing.

What about Rush, Squarepusher.

Gospel bass?

So,here's a list of modern bass heroes

Tom Jenkinson
Chris Wrostenholme
Justin Chancellor
Juan Alderete
Steve DiGiorgio
Tim Commerford

[Jase]

With all due respect to bassbloke, I can't get into it when legends reform but they all seem to be doing it lately, I don't see what the big attraction is.

The modern bass players listed in bassblokes post are without a doubt brilliant but what I'd like to see or hear is bass players doing something utterly unique, doesn't have to be technically mind blowing, doesn't have to sound perfect just some truth and personality in their playing.

[clauster]

Great bands of the 00s (form a middleaged perspective) -

Sigur Ros, the Black Keys, The Doves, Interpol, Queens of the Stoneage, Audioslave, the Jicks. I could go on.


At any point in the last 50 years you've had to filter a lot of crap to find the gems to find the good stuff. To find the Pixies you had to look past the Reynolds Girls, Jive Bunny etc. Baggy you had to get past Rick Astley etc

Editted due to alcohol induced ramblings)

Edited January 30, 2008 by clauster

[Bass_In_Yer_Face]

[quote name='bassbloke' post='130333' date='Jan 29 2008, 10:34 PM']thispost might come across as a bit rambling...

I find it a bit odd you saying there are no bass heroes any more when The Police, Led Zeppelin, Cream, Black Sabbath and Genesis, to name but 4 have all reformed and gigged in the past year.

What's more, a couple of huge metal bands, Metallica and Megadeth, have recruited name bassists in Rob Trujillo and James Lomenzo.

Modern bands like Muse,Mars Volta and Tool have incredibly prominent bass playing.

What about Rush, Squarepusher.

Gospel bass?

So,here's a list of modern bass heroes

Tom Jenkinson
Chris Wrostenholme
Justin Chancellor
Juan Alderete
Steve DiGiorgio
Tim Commerford[/quote]

Rage have been around since the early nineties...I think people are missing the point of my modern heroes thread. I am talking about bands that have formed recently.

[EdwardHimself]

to be honest i think your just being a bit grumpy and old. I think you just like old music better so no matter how good something new sounds, you just won't want to listen to it. Also i think the comment about stuff sounding better looking back on it is true too.

I mean there are 2 things we are going to remember about music in this decade in 20 years. That's the really great music and the really really crap music. It's like for me, i know that in 2006 i thought i was having a proper sh*t year. Looking back on it, it actually doesn't seem bad at all.

I was inspired to play by bands who were recently formed. it's what i grew up with and i don't think you can truly see how inspiring something is unless you grew up with it yourself. You didn't grow up with it so i can see why you might not understand why people think it's so good. But just because you can't see anything in it doesn't make it crap music. So i would appreciate it if you would stop insulting some of my favorite music.

Edited January 30, 2008 by EdwardHimself

[Jase]

[quote name='EdwardHimself' post='130454' date='Jan 30 2008, 09:12 AM']to be honest i think your just being a bit grumpy and old. I think you just like old music better so no matter how good something new sounds, you just won't want to listen to it. Also i think the comment about stuff sounding better looking back on it is true too.

I mean there are 2 things we are going to remember about music in this decade in 20 years. That's the really great music and the really really crap music. It's like for me, i know that in 2006 i thought i was having a proper sh*t year. Looking back on it, it actually doesn't seem bad at all.

I was inspired to play by bands who were recently formed. it's what i grew up with and i don't think you can truly see how inspiring something is unless you grew up with it yourself. You didn't grow up with it so i can see why you might not understand why people think it's so good. But just because you can't see anything in it doesn't make it crap music. So i would appreciate it if you would stop insulting some of my favorite music.[/quote]


Good points, I don't think you have to grow up with something to be inspired though